<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 2 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You want to trade down 3 spots and Delonte for a backup PG? He might start but that's only for maybe a year while Rondo gains experience. He only has one year left on his deal anyway, so you could probably get him for West alone or West and #32. Those three spots are the difference between Brandon Wright and Joakhim Noah. HUGE difference.</div> We also get the #22 pick in this draft, which is nice. Brevin Knight is exactly what we need. I'd consider that, no doubt. I didn't even think of this one on my own, I stole it from CelticsBlog.
Boston gets:Joe Johnson#11 Pick (Al Thorton)Atlanta gets:# 5 pick (Mike Conley Jr.)Theo RatliffGerald Green
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 2 2007, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We also get the #22 pick in this draft, which is nice. Brevin Knight is exactly what we need. I'd consider that, no doubt. I didn't even think of this one on my own, I stole it from CelticsBlog.</div>problem with teh #22 pick is it's roll the dice teritory.look back at the last 10 drafts. see some of the crappy players who get picked ahead of players who are still in the NBA and starting.need I mention Joe Forte drafted ahead of Tony Parker?If Ainge really isn't that enamored with anyone at 5 and thinks he can make the move then maybe.the #22 pick doesn't seem all that appealing to me.Brevin Knight would be a steadying influence at the PG spot, but we have bigger needs IMO.
#22 pick may be roll the dice territory but Josh Howard, who if Nowitzki wasn't on the team would be their franchise player was taken 29th for Dallas in 2003..
yes of course there are good picks to be had.MY point was the gamble it is.the 8 picks before Josh Howard28 Leandrinho Barbosa27 Kendrick Perkins26 Nudubi Ebi25 Carlos Delfino24 Brian Cook 23 Travis Outlaw22 Zoran Planinic21 Boris Diaw (screw it can't pass this one up)20 Dahntay Jones Barbosa and Diaw are the only 2 other surefire picks in here. so outta 10 picks 3 are really good, Perkins Delfino are decent. the rest are question marks or worse. It's a crapshoot and you have a better pecent chance of screwing it up than getting it right. that's what my point was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 2 2007, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>durant and possibly Noah or Green?what's not to like about that?and we keep Al and Rondome likey likey.there's not way to trade a superstar like Kobe and have every single team come out like a winner.but in this scenario, everyone makes out fairly well.Indiana looks the weakest, but they only give up O'neil and some contracts so they actually make out ok IMO.</div>I like the idea that we get two draft picks outta the trade - but Kwame is a bust, Vlad could basicly be another Raef or Wally in Boston and Maurice Evans isn't that special offensively. I'd rather keep Pierce - Allen and Gomes over Vlad - Kwame + Evans. Just thoes drafts picks are monsters.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 2 2007, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boston gets:Joe Johnson#11 Pick (Al Thorton)Atlanta gets:# 5 pick (Mike Conley Jr.)Theo RatliffGerald Green</div>haha, yeah rightI'm sure Atlanta will give up Joe Johnson, and I'm sure they will take another sf (Green) in exchange. And why would Boston want two players who play the same posistion as Pierce (sg/sf)?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 7 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>haha, yeah rightI'm sure Atlanta will give up Joe Johnson, and I'm sure they will take another sf (Green) in exchange. And why would Boston want two players who play the same posistion as Pierce (sg/sf)?</div>not sure about the #11, but JJ and Pierce would be KINDA LIKE having MJ and Pippen. IE 2 versatile and very good wing players. that wouldn't be a bad thing would it?Remember LIKE not AS GOOD AS....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 7 2007, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>not sure about the #11, but JJ and Pierce would be KINDA LIKE having MJ and Pippen. IE 2 versatile and very good wing players. that wouldn't be a bad thing would it?Remember LIKE not AS GOOD AS....</div>Why are you fans always thinkin of yourselves? I was talking about Atlanta. THey don't need another sf.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 7 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why are you fans always thinkin of yourselves? I was talking about Atlanta. THey don't need another sf.</div>Green plays SG more than SF. He's not strong enough to play forward full-time. Why Atlanta would give up their best player to move up five spots and take on an unproven swingman I'm not sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 7 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why are you fans always thinkin of yourselves? I was talking about Atlanta. THey don't need another sf.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 7 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>haha, yeah rightI'm sure Atlanta will give up Joe Johnson, and I'm sure they will take another sf (Green) in exchange. And why would Boston want two players who play the same posistion as Pierce (sg/sf)?</div>those are your words right??? :winkglasses:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 7 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Green plays SG more than SF. He's not strong enough to play forward full-time. Why Atlanta would give up their best player to move up five spots and take on an unproven swingman I'm not sure.</div>I think they're interested in doing it because they need a PG and they must really like Conley jr.they also apparantly like Wright and are angling to get both players.all in all, this is a rumor and you hear so many that never go anywhere.it just helps to kill the time on here is all :dribble:
Here's a fairly crazy trade I worked out in the ESPN Trade Machine. (Salaries are rounded)Celtics Getaul Gasol - $12,400,000Andrei Kirilenko - $12,400,000Grizzlies Get:#5 Overall PickTheo Ratliff - $11,700,000Gerald Green - $1,400,000Gordon Giricek - $4,000,000Sebastian Telfair - $1,800,000Jazz Get:Wally Sczerbiak - $11,800,000Mike Miller - $7,600,000The Celts get an all-star in Gasol and a borderline all-star in Kirilenko (I know he's a risk). Memphis gets Green and the #5 pick as well as Telfair and Giricek who could contribute...and an inordinate amount of cap room. They could sign literally any Free Agent in the league after next season with the amount of money they'd have available. The Jazz get a good player in Miller and cap relief two years earlier from Wally's deal than they would waiting for Kirilenko. Not saying it's the best deal in the world. Just an idea.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 9 2007, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LL33 you better make sure your mother doesn't catch you when you wake up from that wet dream. ^^</div>Is it THAT unrealistic? From what I understand the Jazz want to get rid of AK-47 any way they can but don't think anyone will take on his contract.
Celtics Trade: Telfair, Scalabrine and #5 pickBobcats Trade: Knight and #8 pickC's take Noah at #8 and get much need veteran point while dumping Scals and Telfair.Thoughts?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 9 2007, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is it THAT unrealistic? From what I understand the Jazz want to get rid of AK-47 any way they can but don't think anyone will take on his contract.</div> I think it's pretty unrealistic... us getting Gasol and Kirilenko in the same deal, with Utah getting two players at the same position, one of whom has a big contract and is injury prone. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Jun 9 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Celtics Trade: Telfair, Scalabrine and #5 pick Bobcats Trade: Knight and #8 pick C's take Noah at #8 and get much need veteran point while dumping Scals and Telfair. Thoughts?</div> I'm not sure if Charlotte would take back Scal's contract, but it's not that unreasonable, and I would do this deal.
Although Scal's contract is 2 years longer it's nearly half the price of Knights. Scal would add some veteran leadership and fundamentals to a young Bobcat team while they would also get a higher pick given them a better rookie. I think if this was offered the Bobcats would atleast stronger consider it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 9 2007, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's pretty unrealistic... us getting Gasol and Kirilenko in the same deal, with Utah getting two players at the same position, one of whom has a big contract and is injury prone.</div>I think you're underestimating how much they'd love to dump Kirilenko's contract. Miller serves as a decent replacement while Wally is just there for depth and because his deal gets done two years earlier. This is basically just a MUCH more balanced Lafrentz-Ratliff type deal from Utah's perspective.
I think Utah MIGHT do a Theo and either Green or West for AK-47.AK is a PF and him playing SF just doesn't work.he's a great intangibles guy and if you move Al to the C posistion Andrei can play PF and not take a lot of shots away from Paul and Al.He's a good passer, blocks shots and gets steals.Utah gets salary relief and either a gamble in Green or a solid pg/sg back up in West.thoughts?
