I'm So SICK & TIRED of Neil Olshey

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  1. Strenuus

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    I still stand by the point that neither of you are falling for his bullshit... that was my entire point.
     
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    Ok... I keep saying I’m not a fan of NO but you’re kind of off base here. He hasn’t ignored every trade deadline... He traded for Afflalo, Nurkic, and got rid of Vonleh this year, all trade deadline deals, now whether you think they were good deals or not doesn’t matter, it goes against you saying he “does nothing”. 1-2 years is Not usually long enough to turn a team around maybe in fringe cases but your post seems aimed at me and That’s fine but I don’t believe you really have this right...
     
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    I would say that Olshey has done a solid job of keeping this team relevant and in the playoffs while other teams in similar or even better cases have struggled and often times not made the playoffs (Sacramento, TWolves, lakers and Denver just to name some). I would agree that he overpaid some contracts but we also don't know how much of that was at the direction of PA. If he was to go, I can accept that, but I can see him getting another year as well. Stotts deserves at least another year as well. The season ended poorly, but I'm also not convinced that the results will stay the same if we were to play the Pelicans again. If we did everything that at least one poster in this forum wanted then we would;

    Hope that Paul Allen sells the team
    Fire Olshey
    Fire Stotts
    Teade CJ
    Trade Lillard
    not re-sign Nurkic
    not re-sign Davis

    and we will be a better team.

    Everyone has opinions, but many of the ideas can also make us a much worse team and in the lottery for several years.
     
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    Tortured mildly questions Olshey, but he's granting him too much leeway. Tortured probably started out enthusiastic, but Cup has beaten him down with his high volume of posts.

    2 of your 3 examples are Afflalo, when he gave away a #1 and Barton, and giving away Vonleh, so that he got nothing for Batum?

    If you're supposedly an Olshey critic, I'd hate to argue with an Olshey defender!
     
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  5. TorturedBlazerFan

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    That was my reaction after game 3 of the pelicans series, not even gonna try to defend it, I was really irked by it, but after some time I've back-tracked on that. Though one or two of those things might not be so bad....
     
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    You said he didn't do any thing. My point was he did do something on the trade deadlines. I don't like NO you don't have to go back very many pages to figure that out. I'm not beaten down, I'm just level-headed about it. The fact is some of those moves are reasons why I don't think Olshey belongs, why I don't believe in his "plan" or him, why would I want to ignore them by saying he doesn't do anything. You can't just be so one-sided that you ignore the fact some of NO's moves have worked, some haven't. Whether NO "has" a plan or not I have no idea, PA obviously believes he does or he wouldn't still be working for him. You're assertions appear to be completely just you spouting your opinion. There are a ton of reasons to dislike Olshey, but lets try to stick to reality or at least what we know instead of wild swings about things we don't.

    I don't like NO, but also I can't deny that Drafting Dame was a pretty good move, CJ was the best player in that draft or at least one of them. Trading Plumlee for Nurkic was good. Aminu is actually on a good contract for his production. I'm not ignoring the good NO has done, but I still have a lot of reasons why I don't trust or believe in NO's plan. All you've done is make a baseless claim that he literally doesn't have one, which you don't know that.
     
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    Clips, Heat, Hornets, Bulls, Magic all have vets and all should be trying to rebuild. So, players should be available.

    e.g. Orlando's Jonathon Simmons is 28. If they had any sense, they'd try to move him for picks/younger players. If we had any sense, we'd inquire.
     
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    The grass is sometimes appears greener on the other side....

    If I were to go tell another fan base "hey, we have a PF who in the playoffs averaged over 17 and 9 with a steal and half a block, shot .519 from the field, and .433 from 3", they'd say "he's the answer to our prayers!" But we sigh, and say "It's only Aminu."
     
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    My problem with Aminu is I believe he’s a natural 3 and gets stuck playing the 4 a lot, though that’s on Stotts not him.
     
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    I don't know if I agree with that as in my opinion a 3 needs to be able to put the ball on the floor and create to really be most effective. The game has shrunk and other than weight, Aminu is 6'9" and a long wing span so he can match up well with most 4's. It also allows him to switch on to the 3 when screened. I happen to think Aminu is best suited at the 4. He has some flaws to be a 3 but I think they are less than at the 3.
     
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    @CupWizier I can see the argument for certain match ups, but it seems he gets pushed around a lot by bigger 4’s. I think he would make a good 3 combined with Collins at the 4 because all of a sudden the Blazers have a ton of length and size, to compliment CJ and Dames lack of those things. I think Aminu is good especially when you take his contract into consideration, and his ball handling has gotten better.
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree, but you're proving my point about the grass being greener...
     
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    I’m not saying move home to another team or anything just that I think he fits better as 3. Yes his stats were good, but the other side of that was they were basically begging him and the rest of the role guys to beat them, and we’ll yeah know...
     
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    Even those numbers can't be correct - CJ is clearly more than 1" taller than Dame.
     
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    CBS Sports has CJ listed at 6' 3" as does NBA.com.
     
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    The main weakness for Aminu at the 4 is he doesn't really post up which would help him be more effective. The weakness I see him as a 3 is that he isn't a good ball handler and just an average passer without much abilty to create for himself or others.. My preference would be to have a more complete player on the offensive side at the 3 that can dribble, pass and create his own shot. With Aminu at the 3 that leaves us only Lillard and McCollum that can do that and easier for teams to take either or both out of their game.
     
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    Aminu has a freakish wingspan...same as Nurk's....but he can keep his man in front of him...his lateral quickness is great. He's improved his shot and game every year he's been here...best player we had in the Pelicans series.
     
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    Easy to be the "best" player when the other team doesn't even bother guarding you.
    And for as good as his defense was in that series, he regularly gets blown by when guarding on the perimeter. I have vivid memories of Danilo Gallinari playing in his first game post-injury and getting past Aminu for lay-ups as if Aminu had his feet glued to the ground.
    The only reason Aminu is in the NBA is because of his wingspan.
     
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    No doubt as he definitely stepped up his game in the playoffs. We could have used a few more.
     
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    Dame is more like 6'1, having stood next to him myself being 6'.
     
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