OT Sleep solutions?

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by Stevenson, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Put this on, turn up the volume, and you'll sleep like a baby. In the morning, you'll have new hair on your chest.

     
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  2. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Yes, and it is tough work strangling liberals. I bet you sleep like a baby.
     
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  3. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It's 2 am. You think I have an answer?
     
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  4. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I've had horrible nightmares my entire life. I just didn't want to sleep they are so bad. Finally I found a way to look forward to going to bed. Each night when I think it is time, I look at one of the many @HCP selfies that litter this forum.

    After that horror show a few demons and ghost dreams seem like a step up.

    By the way, any picture that makes Steve Blake look like a Hollywood leading man....yikes.
     
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  5. MarAzul

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    if i cant sleep, it is usually because i have a lot to do, so i usually just stay up and work. when i get a day off, i sleep as much as i can.
     
  7. riverman

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    Watch a golf tournament or a bowling tournament while listening to Sade....faster than Sominex....
     
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    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Read a book when you first go to bed and turn on some white noise!
    Works great for me and I have insomnia...big time
     
  9. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    Stevenson, I am an unwitting expert, having suffered chronic and sometimes severe insomnia for about 8 years or so.

    I define two types, situational and true insomnia. Situational is being upset, angry, worried, excited (it can even be over a good thing) and can't sleep. IMO taking sleep aids works for situational insomnia which generally lasts only a night or two. If it lasts longer, then the underlying problem needs to be resolved.

    True insomnia has no reason for being. Ordinary day, ordinary evening, feeling just normal physically & mentally, no reason the person should not be able to sleep, and BOOM, can't get to sleep, even when he/she was unable to keep eyes open before going to bed. Mild insomnia means getting to sleep after a while. Moderate, get out of bed, eventually fall asleep. Severe, up all night.

    As to what to do - you've probably researched the basics, avoid electronics before bed, exercise during day but not near bedtime, avoid heavy meals late. Try to sleep in quiet room, although if you live in urban area, where neighbors rev motorcycles and have outdoor parties, that can be tough.

    If you don't fall asleep in about 20 minutes, get out of bed. You will only stress out more tossing & turning. Make some herbal tea (chamomile is soothing), find a comfy couch, read something low impact. A lightweight novel you've read before, or yes, a cookbook. That has helped me fall asleep on couch and at some point I would wake enough to stumble to bed.

    Severe insomnia, nothing. Nothing. Nothing works. Do you get "earworms"? Because I sometimes felt I don't mind being up all night if the noise would JUST STOP. One line of a song repeating over and over and over and over. Every time I would start to fall asleep I would be awakened by the same line playing over and over. (The earworms were different each bout. I now, not surprisingly, LOATHE every song that ever kept me up.) Sometimes playing soft music through headphones would drown out earworm, with moderate insomnia but with the really bad bouts, NOTHING. And no one who has not experienced that cannot understand how absolutely maddening it can be.

    So - the one useful thing I learned from a sleep specialist (more on that later), is just keep telling yourself you won't die, even though at 3 AM you might feel like it. You'll be tired. You won't die. I am not joking, believe me, anyone who has been up several consecutive nights hearing the same line waking them up over and over knows this is no joke.

    OK - medical. I went to a sleep specialist. She tried to use drugs. Cure worse than disease. No one told me a side effect of Lunestra is panic attacks. I thought I was going totally off my onion, in a constant state of panic verging on terror. It wasn't me, it was the drug. I found that out because at the time I was still at Genentech and they get a 10 day holiday break. Lunestra was no longer working well so I figured during the break I'd stop taking it, insomnia would be easier to handle when I did not have to go to work next day. After a week off Lunestra all the panic symptoms disappeared. I looked it up and that's when I learned it was a well known side effect.

    Several years later my primary suggested a neurologist. It was unlikely, but possible, the earworms were caused by micro-seizures which can be treated. After various testing, everything came back normal. So not neurological.

    Did research on earworms. The lines that get stuck in our heads are generally repetitive and catchy. Articles I read suggested they can sometimes be driven out by singing something that is repetitive but not catchy. Many countries' national anthems fit that. The US does not, however, both Oh Canada and God Save the Queen do. I can't tell you how many millions of Oh Canadas I've sung to myself! It works with mild earworms but as I said when they are really bad nothing works.

    Then later on I tried a behaviorist. By this time I had researched insomnia and earworms so thoroughly that she told me I was already doing everything she would suggest.

    I have heard marijuana can help, but I work at a place that is under US Drug Enforcement Agency regulations. We can be tested any time and the feds don't recognize state laws allowing marijuana, medical or otherwise, so I can't try it.

    Upshot of all this, I have insomnia!

    Don't know if any of this screed was helpful. Best. If nothing else you sure as hell have my sympathy.
     
  10. Stevenson

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    @crandc, thank you. That is very helpful, and kind of you to take so much time writing it.

    I do many of the things you suggest. Your insight that really helped already was "the worst that can happen is that you will be tired the next day." Good advice! Sometimes when I am up at 3 am, I can get into a panic about the next day, so that really helps. My sweet wife falls asleep in about 2 minutes, so lying next to her deep breathing so quickly can also up my anxiety level.

    Yes, I also get earworms sometimes, strangely, it happens most if I happen to hear the soundtrack from The Producers. I swear! Damn that Mel Brooks can write a catchy tune. Ha!

    I have sworn this week to get off the Ambien and that's why this is up right now. The melatonin and chamomile and no electronics is helping. Yesterday I went to the pot store and bought some edibles. I took those too last night. Apparently they were not cbds like I thought as I woke up 2 hours later totally stoned!
     
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    Worst earworm I ever had was Huey Lewis Stuck with You. Two weeks. And if I hear even a line from it I don't sleep that night. Earworms never really die!
     
  12. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    It’s A Small World (Disney) does it to me every time. Oh shit, I just screwed myself by bringing it up.....there goes the next week’s sleep. Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!
     
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  13. bodyman5000 and 1

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    There's some dumb old song everyone I worked with knew got stuck in my head and I hated it. It was that "I'm blue blah da dee da doo da" garbage.

    One kid would ask me questions like "Hey, what color is the sky?"

    Boom, song stuck in my head. That fucker did it all the time. "What color were Elvis' suede shoes?" DAMMIT!
     
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    I suggest daily exercise and take outdoor walks when you can. There are benefits of sunlight.
     
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    I've been taking Trazadone (doctor prescription) before bed for years. Works great. I used to have a hard time falling asleep, then would wake up several times a night and take an hour or more to fall back asleep. Now I sleep good every night and wake up refreshed & ready to visit HCP's wife.
     
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    I’m about a month into not sleeping well. I took a year off of work to be with my kids and suddenly I can’t sleep at night. Makes it tough to be tired while chasing around twins and not having any backup. Did some acupuncture and taking some herbs but I sometimes think my mind is too damn jaded to let me believe that any of it will work. I’ve never smoked marijuana but just tried a drink containing CBD. We’ll see.
     
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    I recently started taking that too, and it works great for 5 hours but then I wake up with dry mouth. Do you have that side effect?
     
  18. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ..same here...my and the wife both take the generic version of zquil...$4 for a bottle of 32.
     
  19. CupWizier

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    But what about all the insomniacs that are already there visiting?
     
  20. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    1. Melatonin. You only need a partial pill about once a week or perhaps once a month. This is a natural substance and according to multiple doctors of mine at the VA, is pretty benign;
    2. Trazedone. It's available by prescription and is one of the most benign of the prescription sleep aids;
    3. A good stiff shot of Scotch. With or without soda, with ice or neat, it's all good.

    Some combination of these three will do the trick. I've been known to try all three at once. Of the three, I must confess, Scotch is my favorite (for medicinal purposes, of course).
     
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