Around the NBA Playoffs - Round Two

Trump is a politician. Kindly STFU now....

 

I know this. He'd hate it if it were called in a way where a defender doesn't have to be in front of a dribbler?

Careful what you wish for.

That sounds silly...

 

I think what he's asking would require giving the officials a lot more discretion, to determine who initiated the contact. I'm not sure I want NBA Refs to have MORE discretion to pick winners and losers, LOL. What the rules "should" be is a reasonable debate though.

 

That’s not at all my point. You keep telling yourself that though, if that’s what makes you feel superior. My main point is that Defenders are at a huge disadvantage by rule, compared to the offensive player.

 

Now politics on the other hand definitely needs more rules. In my "OT" Section opinion.

 

By your logic, until you go become a Politician for a while you shouldn't complain about Trump either. Or does your logic only work, when it's in your favor...

 

Couple things:

I've said this before:

I don't know how to fly a helicopter but if I see one in a tree, I can say "dude fucked up"!

But refereeing is a bit different.

There's absolutely no way you can see what he's seeing from your spot on the bench. If that's the case, there would be no reason to run after the players.

No one, from the players to the coaches to the spectators, knows the rules. There are people all the time yelling for "over the back" when there's literally no such rule.

The bottom line is this:

The definition of a legal guarding defender will not and most certainly should not be changed.

100% of the forum members would hate that change.

 

Wrong. Trump ran for president back in 2000 as the Reform Party candidate. Also, in 2007-9 I was a Precinct committee person.

Know WTF you're talking about, then post.

 

You crack me up. I’m no Trump supporter and yes and I’ve never been in politics but yes I can still criticize him. That was the point.

You said in essence no one can criticize a Ref unless they go do it. My point is that’s obviously not true.
My assertion stands that the nba rules for offensive players put the defenders in a much weaker position, and some of the fouls that guys like Harden, Lebron, even Dame get are kind of ridiculous.
Some examples Dame runs around a moving screen, opposing guard touches Dame, so Dame throws the ball up towards the basket and gets 3 FT's you see guys do this all the time, with contact that didn't effect the shot at all.
You also see a defender moving their feet and has good position, the offensive player continues to run into and through them and the defender gets called for a foul because he didn't move.

How about Dante Exum fouling Harden with his face, because Harden decided to bring the ball and his body back into Exum during a drive. That stuff is ridiculous, the Defender basically has to do "everything" perfectly right while the offensive player flails their arms, and throws their body into them.

You can talk about now knowing the rules, all you want but I never said anything about over the back, and while I haven't studied the rule book, I have a pretty good idea on what the rules are. You haven't said anything to make me believe I'm wrong, the offensive player has the advantage by rule over the defender.
Does the offensive player have to have be in a "legal" offensive anything...? It seems like all the rules are tilted towards the offensive player. Can't tell you how many times I've seen an offensive player run straight into the chest of a defender and the defender buckled in mid air so his arms naturally moved and because of that it was a foul on him....

 

Reminds me of a funny story but about baseball. This guy was sitting in the stands and all game long was complaining about the balls and strike calls until finally between innings the umpire walks behind the backstop and sits down next to the guy and the guy asks "what are you doing, you're suppose to umpire". The ump replied that the loudmouth seemed to think he had a better view of the strike zone so he thought he would come up into the stands and call it from the same place. The guy shut up the rest of the game.

 

Can’t believe Philadelphia are on the verge of being swept after being -400 or so favorites before the series started. Nobody gave Celtics a serious chance, coming from a 7-game struggle against the Bucks where they lost all road games to play against a much more cohesive Sixers team that beat Heat easily in the previous round. It’s a testament to the job Brad Stevens has done there. He has this vibe about him right now where you genuinely feel you could give him any line up and he would still win with them.

Last year Celtics had the best record in the East and went to conference finals with IT, Bradley, Crowder, Johnson and Horford. Only Horford has had a truly good season ever since. Guess what he has that the rest of them don’t anymore.

 

I've done that Just in a different way. I asked a guy in the crowd who was complaining about rules he clearly didn't understand:

Could you scoot over and let me sit next to you? You can see everything from your spot! You have the best view in the house!

 

No. That was aimed at you specifically. And everyone who liked your clueless post.

I knew based upon the quote alone that it was coming from an uninformed source. Hence my direction to get behind a whistle before you or anyone who liked that post criticised.

The post didn't make sense at all.

 

I understand that we all have a different perspective, and they may see things we don't see at the game or on TV. I still believe that offensive players in the NBA are set up to have an advantage over the defender. I believe that certain guys (like Harden), create / initiate and inflict almost all of the contact and still get the benefit of all the calls, and I don't like it. I don't quite understand the attitude that you can only "complain" about the officiating if you've been a ref, but to each there own.

 

I'm not part of this argument as I was just relating a little humor of what a friend of mine told me when he umpired a baseball game.

 

So basically everyone who disagrees with you, is uninformed, whatever floats your boat. You still haven't actually countered anything I've said with anything other than, "you're uninformed, you wouldn't like it, or that I have to be a ref before I can say anything." Since you believe yourself to be so enlightened on the subject of what others would like why don't you open up your crystal ball and tell me what I want... You haven't offered a single counter to my take that the rules give an advantage to the offensive player. You went straight into everyone who disagree's with you isn't up to par, and have yet to put any substance at all into it. I get it being a ref is hard, that's not what I was arguing. My argument still is that the rules are way too tilted towards the offensive players at this point and I don't like it.

 

Hey with the way perspective works there are things that guy on the bench see's that you won't see by chasing the players. Maybe he saw something you didn't. I don't really know why ref's get so defensive about this stuff. When I played I made mistakes, when I work I make mistakes, and people called me out on it all the time (even people who weren't as good as me, or couldn't do my job), that doesn't mean their critique's were wrong. I can guarantee you if you have been a referee for long you've missed calls, or made bad calls it's human natural. This discussion though has nothing to do with how good or how bad a referee is.
I don't like the rules towards offensive players, and yes Harden does regularly barrel into guys and get's ft's out of it. I preferred the NBA with hand-checking. Maybe judging by initiating contact isn't the best way to do it, but to me it shouldn't favor the offensive player as much as it does especially when they drive.

 

What levels?

 

It's gonna be a looooong offseason 'round here

 

Nvm I didn't read much and thought those walls of text were about Trump