Hes a free agent this summer. Should we re-sign him or let him take the walk?I love Smith. He one of the best players off the bench. Is a great player for his age. I think we should sign him to a small 2 year deal. But I wouldnt mind having a sign and trade also. So what should we do?Also, he could just be playing hard for a contract. If we sign him he might start playing effortlessly.
I say we re-sign him if we can get him cheap, otherwise let him walk or just do a sign-and-trade involving him. He won't be around for more than two years anyway.
Let him walk please don't keep this dude.And for the love of god your rebuilding trade Miller for a first, and let Williams start he needs time he is better then some think.
OK, by trading Miller you are making the rebuilding process LONGER. He is a big reason why we played .500 ball after the Iverson trade. If we trade him, we lose a pass-first point guard that distributes the ball and leads our balanced offensive attack.The success we had in the post-Iverson era both pisses me off, but also excites me. We will more than likely miss out on Oden or Durant, but the rebuilding process will be quicker than I expected (assuming King doesn't screw up).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 19 2007, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, by trading Miller you are making the rebuilding process LONGER. He is a big reason why we played .500 ball after the Iverson trade. If we trade him, we lose a pass-first point guard that distributes the ball and leads our balanced offensive attack.The success we had in the post-Iverson era both pisses me off, but also excites me. We will more than likely miss out on Oden or Durant, but the rebuilding process will be quicker than I expected (assuming King doesn't screw up).</div>He won't be around when were ready to win he is 30 what is the point of guys getting used to one PG and then when they do have to get used to a diff one start all over getting used to a diff one? Just let Williams run, or someone. No point of having guys get use to him cause he won't be around when we can actually win.And also exactly my point he is the reason we don't have a top 3 pick this season, and won't have on next year. We could have had Oden/Durant/Wright if we really went full tank mode. And then next year gotten a PG like OJ Mayo, or Rose, and have a great duo like Shaq/Kobe for year.And how is the building process be fast? We will make the playoffs, MAYBE if we luck in the WEAK East, but not cause were good but cause EAST is bad. Then Miller is gone, and guys gotta get used to someone else after a year, and we won't have as a high a pick, and be back at one of worse teams after a year in playoffs maybe. Being pissed about not getting Oden/Durant cause we did not trade Miller is the way to go not excited. Cause I see no reason to be excited he will be gone after next year, and we be with out Oden/Durant/Wright this draft, and Mayo/Rose next draft a duo could have made us a contender in 5 years like that and have a dynasty like Kobe/Shaq.We in same place as we were with AI, and that is why some wanted to trade him even though he is great cause they did not wanna be no were not winning, or losing. We are in the same place with Miller now no were not winning enough not losing enough only with AI weak East you get in the playoffs you can win the East with Miller no chance there and no chance at top few picks.
You don't understand anything, do you?As much as I hate Billy King, he knows more about rebuilding this team than you do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 20 2007, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You don't understand anything, do you?As much as I hate Billy King, he knows more about rebuilding this team than you do.</div>What don't I understand? Miler WILL NOT BE AROUND when our young guys are ready to win are you that stupid to see this? No point for us to win for a year, and not get anyone GREAT for 2 years, and then suck. There are great player in this draft and next for get Miller tank the sh*t out of those 2 years, and you will have a dynasty if you play it right.There is no reason to keep this guy. Young guys will have to change to a new PG anyway why have young guys go thru so much changes when it's not needed?With Miller we don't get a GREAT player, and we don't get in the playoffs this year, or next year even if we get in first round exit just cause East sucks. Then Miller leaves and we suck for many years. Iggy is not enough we need a true #1 a guy who will be the face of your franchise. Why win 10 extra games 2 years, and not get Oden/Durant/Wright this draft, and Mayo/Rose next draft?That is stupid and when there might not be those true #1 face for your team down the road we will regret winning 10 extra games for 2 seasons when it was not needed.
Once again, you don't understand anything. It's easy to see your not really a Sixers fan since you obviously have a negative outlook on everything that happens. Sure, we ALL wanted Oden/Durant, but we're not too stupid to see that Andre Miller has accelerated the development and progression of our young players. That is why he is important to this team, and why rebuilding will be a shorter process. Had he not bee on this team, sure we might have been able to get Oden or Durant, but the rest of our players would not have grown and progressed as much as they did. Meaning they would have had to do that in the next few years. This way they have already taken more steps forward. You don't seem to comprehend that. Unlike you, we see that, and we are happy and proud of our team for hovering around .500 after Iverson's departure. Unlike you we are not going to bash our players for playing with heart. We don't like losing period, so why in the hell are you promoting it? As bitter as you may be for not getting Oden or Durant, you should at least be proud and happy for the success and improvement our players have had, yet you aren't. Yeah, true Sixers fan right there!We all understand Miller is not a part of this team's long-term future... but we don't have a single player on our roster right now that will be our starting point guard in the long-term future either... If Louis Williams is our starting point guard in 5 years, I guarantee you we'll be a mediocre team.Mike Conley > Louis WilliamsIf we don't get Conley in the first round, we better not select a point guard in the first round at all because this is a weak draft for point guards.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 21 2007, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Once again, you don't understand anything. It's easy to see your not really a Sixers fan since you obviously have a negative outlook on everything that happens. Sure, we ALL wanted Oden/Durant, but we're not too stupid to see that Andre Miller has accelerated the development and progression of our young players. That is why he is important to this team, and why rebuilding will be a shorter process. Had he not bee on this team, sure we might have been able to get Oden or Durant, but the rest of our players would not have grown and progressed as much as they did. Meaning they would have had to do that in the next few years. This way they have already taken more steps forward. You don't seem to comprehend that. Unlike you, we see that, and we are happy and proud of our team for hovering around .500 after Iverson's departure. Unlike you we are not going to bash our players for playing with heart. We don't like losing period, so why in the hell are you promoting it? As bitter as you may be for not getting Oden or Durant, you should at least be proud and happy for the success and improvement our players have had, yet you aren't. Yeah, true Sixers fan right there!We all understand Miller is not a part of this team's long-term future... but we don't have a single player on our roster right now that will be our starting point guard in the long-term future either... If Louis Williams is our starting point guard in 5 years, I guarantee you we'll be a mediocre team.Mike Conley > Louis WilliamsIf we don't get Conley in the first round, we better not select a point guard in the first round at all because this is a weak draft for point guards.</div>Good points Bigmo. Miller has done wonder for us. I would only trade him if we could get some young players in return. We need him for his play and experience. He doesn't hurt the young players. He helps them so much. Who would have thought Kyle Korver could get at least 4 points of of layups in a regular play from a Miller pass from the top of the key. Louis Williams I'm sure learned a lot from AI. But you can see he has learned a lot from Miller. He is a pretty good passer and scorer. So he has to show from both mentors. I agree he's not the PG of the future. But he'll be great off the bench. Conley and Law are better. And if Miller can do what he did for Williams, than he'll work wonder for one of those guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 21 2007, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Once again, you don't understand anything. It's easy to see your not really a Sixers fan since you obviously have a negative outlook on everything that happens. Sure, we ALL wanted Oden/Durant, but we're not too stupid to see that Andre Miller has accelerated the development and progression of our young players. That is why he is important to this team, and why rebuilding will be a shorter process. Had he not bee on this team, sure we might have been able to get Oden or Durant, but the rest of our players would not have grown and progressed as much as they did. Meaning they would have had to do that in the next few years. This way they have already taken more steps forward. You don't seem to comprehend that. Unlike you, we see that, and we are happy and proud of our team for hovering around .500 after Iverson's departure. Unlike you we are not going to bash our players for playing with heart. We don't like losing period, so why in the hell are you promoting it? As bitter as you may be for not getting Oden or Durant, you should at least be proud and happy for the success and improvement our players have had, yet you aren't. Yeah, true Sixers fan right there!We all understand Miller is not a part of this team's long-term future... but we don't have a single player on our roster right now that will be our starting point guard in the long-term future either... If Louis Williams is our starting point guard in 5 years, I guarantee you we'll be a mediocre team.Mike Conley > Louis WilliamsIf we don't get Conley in the first round, we better not select a point guard in the first round at all because this is a weak draft for point guards.</div>I am not a Sixers fan? :HAHAHA: And I am being real I don't sit around like some Philly fans and get my hopes up over us being on a high when we traded Miller I see that were not close to how we did with out AI. And I see that Miller be gone after next year anyway and we won't be resigning him with him being 31 or w/e. And again I am not blind I see Miller helped get the younger guys better. My point is after 1 more year those young guys will need to go thru a change to a diff PG, and we won't get top 3 pick this season or next like we would with out Miller. And what's the point? You tell me whats the point? To win 10 extra games for 2 seasons? And also the young guys were forced to do stuff now with no AI to fall back on they still would be doing good. Now the young guys will have to change cause there be a new PG soon anyway and it's not good for young guys to go thru so much change as soon as they get use to one. And we took a step forward just to take 2 steps back once Miller is gone in a year if he stays and we don't trade him in the of season we will go back to real life once he leaves and then now have a Oden/Durant/Wright/OJ Mayo/Rose ect........... you get my point. And I think they did great after the AI trade, but I see it was a high that's all. And I am not blind by it I see we need more help then a lot think. And I also see once Miller leaves will be right back to sucking. So does 2 extra years of 10 extra wins matter when Miller be leaving and those guys gotta adjust to a new PG again? It is not good to put young guys thru so much change. My point is will be back to real life when Miller leaves, but not have that true #1.And you can't say that about Williams if you were a true fan you would actually see that this kid has lots of potential. Last few games he showed that, and if Miller was traded right away Williams would have shown a lot more if you gave him more minutes. He learned from AI, Ollie, and Miller now this kid will be better then most think I deff think he will be a starter. And we will be a mediocre team in 5 years even if Williams will become a starter like I think.I don't know how you can say that about Williams with out even watching him probably for more then a min a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheAnalyst @ Apr 21 2007, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good points Bigmo. Miller has done wonder for us. I would only trade him if we could get some young players in return. We need him for his play and experience. He doesn't hurt the young players. He helps them so much. Who would have thought Kyle Korver could get at least 4 points of of layups in a regular play from a Miller pass from the top of the key. Louis Williams I'm sure learned a lot from AI. But you can see he has learned a lot from Miller. He is a pretty good passer and scorer. So he has to show from both mentors. I agree he's not the PG of the future. But he'll be great off the bench. Conley and Law are better. And if Miller can do what he did for Williams, than he'll work wonder for one of those guys.</div>Williams FYI is more then a bench guy.And we can get a first for Miller.And what happens when Miller is gone? Those guys have to change to a new PG you think it is better for young guys to be forced to go thru another change just as they are used to Miller?The way I look at it is trading 10 extra wins for 2 season for Oden/Durant/Wright this season Mayo/Rose next season and forming a dynasty. And still all those young guys will have to adjust to a new PG when Miller leaves in a year once his contract is done. Now good for young guys to have to go thru so much change when they just get used to 1.
Serge, the biggest problem with rebuilding teams is the lack of veteran leadership....rebuilding teams lacking veteran leadership take longer to develop. You need different players at different stages in there careers to be successful. Andre Miller could be a great Eric Snow type guy for young players down the line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 21 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Serge, the biggest problem with rebuilding teams is the lack of veteran leadership....rebuilding teams lacking veteran leadership take longer to develop. You need different players at different stages in there careers to be successful. Andre Miller could be a great Eric Snow type guy for young players down the line.</div>But even if we don't trade him in the of season after next season he is gone anyway then those young guys gotta adjust for a diff PG. And going thru so many changes when your young also is not to good of a idea.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Apr 21 2007, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not a Sixers fan? :HAHAHA: And I am being real I don't sit around like some Philly fans and get my hopes up over us being on a high when we traded Miller I see that were not close to how we did with out AI. And I see that Miller be gone after next year anyway and we won't be resigning him with him being 31 or w/e. And again I am not blind I see Miller helped get the younger guys better. My point is after 1 more year those young guys will need to go thru a change to a diff PG, and we won't get top 3 pick this season or next like we would with out Miller. And what's the point? You tell me whats the point? To win 10 extra games for 2 seasons? And also the young guys were forced to do stuff now with no AI to fall back on they still would be doing good. Now the young guys will have to change cause there be a new PG soon anyway and it's not good for young guys to go thru so much change as soon as they get use to one. And we took a step forward just to take 2 steps back once Miller is gone in a year if he stays and we don't trade him in the of season we will go back to real life once he leaves and then now have a Oden/Durant/Wright/OJ Mayo/Rose ect........... you get my point. And I think they did great after the AI trade, but I see it was a high that's all. And I am not blind by it I see we need more help then a lot think. And I also see once Miller leaves will be right back to sucking. So does 2 extra years of 10 extra wins matter when Miller be leaving and those guys gotta adjust to a new PG again? It is not good to put young guys thru so much change. My point is will be back to real life when Miller leaves, but not have that true #1.And you can't say that about Williams if you were a true fan you would actually see that this kid has lots of potential. Last few games he showed that, and if Miller was traded right away Williams would have shown a lot more if you gave him more minutes. He learned from AI, Ollie, and Miller now this kid will be better then most think I deff think he will be a starter. And we will be a mediocre team in 5 years even if Williams will become a starter like I think.I don't know how you can say that about Williams with out even watching him probably for more then a min a game.</div>Once again, you fail to understand. You're basically saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. Oh, and thanks for proving my point. You just said we'd be mediocre in five years if Williams was the starter... which I said, so if that's the case why the F*ck would we want him as the starter?Oh yeah, one more thing buddy. Let's assume Williams was named the starter after the Iverson trade (pretend we didn't get Andre Miller back in return). We let Williams run the team, he gets better, we win the lottery, draft Oden/Durant, etc. Do you honestly think that Billy King and Mo Cheeks would keep Williams as the starting point guard if they had the opportunity to acquire a better point guard through the draft either this year or next year? No they wouldn't. They would draft a point guard, and give him the starting position. Meaning (according to you), our young guys would have to adjust to that new point guard anyway... and we all know "it's not good for them." So you're little plan has the same potential pitfall you are criticizing the current Sixers for.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 21 2007, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Once again, you fail to understand. You're basically saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. Oh, and thanks for proving my point. You just said we'd be mediocre in five years if Williams was the starter... which I said, so if that's the case why the F*ck would we want him as the starter?Oh yeah, one more thing buddy. Let's assume Williams was named the starter after the Iverson trade (pretend we didn't get Andre Miller back in return). We let Williams run the team, he gets better, we win the lottery, draft Oden/Durant, etc. Do you honestly think that Billy King and Mo Cheeks would keep Williams as the starting point guard if they had the opportunity to acquire a better point guard through the draft either this year or next year? No they wouldn't. They would draft a point guard, and give him the starting position. Meaning (according to you), our young guys would have to adjust to that new point guard anyway... and we all know "it's not good for them." So you're little plan has the same potential pitfall you are criticizing the current Sixers for.</div>We would not be bad cause of him. Not menaing cause he is bad we were mediocre with Iverson lots of years does not mean it's cause of AI or cause AI was not good. Williams will be a starter you under value him cause of your people crazy love for Miller who really has not helped the guys as much as you make it out to be atleast. All them was forced to do more when AI left.Depends how Williams would do at PG.My plan gives us a chance to become a dynasty. There plans get's them 10 games better for 2 years then back to sucking, and not having good as great drafts to get better, but aight yall Philly fans are the same. You always get your hopes up I can stay real I don't get sucked into that winning they did after AI left. I don't fall for that crap that is why I don't end up wondering what happened later when they suck. I see how good they are really, and that is not good at all. Miller helped, but not as much as some make it seem. And my other points about Miller helping win now already I told ya.
I love how you completely avoided the biggest point in my post:Oh yeah, one more thing buddy. Let's assume Williams was named the starter after the Iverson trade (pretend we didn't get Andre Miller back in return). We let Williams run the team, he gets better, we win the lottery, draft Oden/Durant, etc. Do you honestly think that Billy King and Mo Cheeks would keep Williams as the starting point guard if they had the opportunity to acquire a better point guard through the draft either this year or next year? No they wouldn't. They would draft a point guard, and give him the starting position. Meaning (according to you), our young guys would have to adjust to that new point guard anyway... and we all know "it's not good for them."I'm guessing that's because you realized how idiotic and hypocritical you sound? Your plan has a chance for us to become a dynasty? Yeah, right! If it was up to you, we would draft all second round players because they can be great players, right? Uh huh, as stupid as Billy King is, you make him look like R.C. Buford (oh wait, I doubt you know who that is, sorry...).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 22 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love how you completely avoided the biggest point in my post:Oh yeah, one more thing buddy. Let's assume Williams was named the starter after the Iverson trade (pretend we didn't get Andre Miller back in return). We let Williams run the team, he gets better, we win the lottery, draft Oden/Durant, etc. Do you honestly think that Billy King and Mo Cheeks would keep Williams as the starting point guard if they had the opportunity to acquire a better point guard through the draft either this year or next year? No they wouldn't. They would draft a point guard, and give him the starting position. Meaning (according to you), our young guys would have to adjust to that new point guard anyway... and we all know "it's not good for them."I'm guessing that's because you realized how idiotic and hypocritical you sound? Your plan has a chance for us to become a dynasty? Yeah, right! If it was up to you, we would draft all second round players because they can be great players, right? Uh huh, as stupid as Billy King is, you make him look like R.C. Buford (oh wait, I doubt you know who that is, sorry...).</div>No we would draft Oden/Durant/Wright next season. And then following year if we got luck with Rose/Mayo we could move Williams to SG maybe.And no if I was the gm I would tank in way were it is not clear cause we not good anyway for 2 seasons get Oden/Durant/Wright on of the 3. The next draft same Mayo/Rose and then have 1 from 3 this draft 1 from 2 next draft, and have a GREAT duo, and still have Iggy. Think Duncan/Parker/Manu from the Spurs.We suck anyway so I would not waste time winning 10 extra games for 2 seasons then suck once Miller leaves and not have drafts as good to get a GREAT sure thing like it is this year, and probably next.I am done you don't even try to get my point.You will see in a year when Miller is done and we suck yet not have a draft when we can get a GREAT like this year, and next probably.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Apr 22 2007, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am done you don't even try to get my point.</div>I get your point, but your point is so idiotic and goes against everything that Philadelphia 76er fans have ever stood for. Now, why don't you do everybody at BBW a favor and stop posting.EDIT: Once again you have no answer for the bold portion of my previous post. I wonder why...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 22 2007, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I get your point, but your point is so idiotic and goes against everything that Philadelphia 76er fans have ever stood for. Now, why don't you do everybody at BBW a favor and stop posting.EDIT: Once again you have no answer for the bold portion of my previous post. I wonder why...</div>Why is my point idiotic? Cause I don't want to win 10 extra games for 2 seasons? Cause that is what it comes down to once Miller leaves we suck, but no as great of draft like now when you can get a sure thing. What's wrong with what I am saying? Nothing cause there is no point winning 10 extra games for 2 seasons and then sucking when we can get 2 GREAT players when they still have them in drafts this year, and next looks like.And I am one of the top poster on this board, and no I don't mean how many posts I make.And answer to your bold I never said we should draft PG to begind with this season. Next year I said maybe if we still good but we can also start Williams at SG Green is a chucker trade him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Apr 22 2007, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why is my point idiotic? Cause I don't want to win 10 extra games for 2 seasons? Cause that is what it comes down to once Miller leaves we suck, but no as great of draft like now when you can get a sure thing. What's wrong with what I am saying? Nothing cause there is no point winning 10 extra games for 2 seasons and then sucking when we can get 2 GREAT players when they still have them in drafts this year, and next looks like.And I am one of the top poster on this board, and no I don't mean how many posts I make.And answer to your bold I never said we should draft PG to begind with this season. Next year I said maybe if we still good but we can also start Williams at SG Green is a chucker trade him.</div>Did you just say you are one of the top posters on this board? :HAHAHA: Holy sh*t, that is f*cking hilarious! Go ahead, make a topic on BBW asking how many people consider you a top poster on this board... :HAHAHA:Yes, you're point is stupid, considering you cannot go back in time, genius.Also, you're so stupid that you didn't even comprehend my bolded point. My point wasn't whether or not we're taking a point guard or whatever, but that even if Williams started, eventually down the line you would acquire a better point guard who would start over him, and the whole team would have to "adjust to a new point guard," which is one of the main points you have been arguing against the whole time. Idiot.And you think Williams is better than Green? Please... Green is much, much, much, much better than Williams at this point in time.
