Sly we live in a blue state. How many people really care about Paul Allen of all people doing this? If players got involved maybe some would care but even then I doubt it. The nfl is an entire different story. There are people out there who act like the American flag and anthem are the most precious thing we have so they flip out when dudes kneel.
Washington is also a blue state and there were enough fans outraged at Kaepernick that the Seahawks cancelled an interview with him just last month. http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-seahawks-kaepernick-morris-20180413-story.html
I don't think putting the burden on the shoulders of the parents is the answer. That's what this legislation implies. Go ahead and give the parents of mass shooters felonies after the fact, see how many kids it brings back. As for it being a "preventative" measure, mass shootings don't occur enough for the average person to say "holy shit, I better lock my guns up because I think my kid wants to murder people". Anyone who thinks that would probably just go ahead and lock them up anyway. These events are not expected by anyone. It's just blame shifting and it will accomplish nothing.
It doesn't friggin matter if this law adds nothing, it is doing something (for liberals). Liberals must send the right virtue signals when called.
It’s not about blaming the parent or the gun, or anyone but the shooter, but it’s just a step people to try to keep semi - automatic weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them. You can never stop violence and if someone is that desperate they will find a way to cause destruction. I still believe I’d rather they tried to do something rather than say well nothing’s going to work so why try. I’m not trying to say you’re saying “do nothing, but I’d support more restrictions on who can get firearms.
But here's the thing - you guys offer and have no solution. ZERO. I'm in an Uber today and the driver starts talking about how afraid he is to send his 12 year old to school. But what is important to you guys? The right to keep and bear arms. Pathetic.
Feel Superior now? Or just virtuous? Never waste a tragedy. Kid shoot people with a .38, hop on the ban automatics. It is virtuous. See river likes your signal.
Um yeah, the right to bear arms is important to me, sorry you think it's pathetic. I actually live somewhere where firearms are a necessary tool, not just something I talk about with my uber driver. When you're writing your next piece of legislation maybe you could include a clause to give me a felony too.
These people don’t get it. They just don’t. And I’m not referring to liberals as a whole. I’m talking people who don’t know anything about guns and the only thing they see of them is when a shooting happens. People don’t look at numbers anymore. There are more guns than people in this country. Given that one number, there should be way more shootings occurring. There isn’t though. People over react. Sure I agree that there needs to be some more strict background checks but the real issue people keep ignoring but is a real factor in this country is mental health. It’s vital. I live in the country, i have neighbors that have targets setup and they shoot for fun on the weekends. I hear these shots every weekend, my first thought isn’t “omg better run somebody is being shot!”. I feel like these specific people need positive exposure to guns rather than what they see on the tv. Most people with guns either like shooting, hunting, or they just keep a gun to defend their house. Or all of the above.
There’s a balancing act that needs played, I grew up in North Portland, and have been robbed at gun point, seen guns drawn over basketball games, heard shots fired many, many time, seen gang violence. Now obviously a lot of those people will find a way to get guns one way or another. The question isn’t about how do we keep guns out of the hands of responsible adults, or people that use guns for various reasons out in the country. The question is how do we a) identify people that need mental help and b.) how do we keep those people away from guns. Will this law help? Who knows, but I still think it’s better to try and fail than not to try at all.
The pinnacle of hypocrisy. http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2013/03/ex-members_of_paul_allens_secu.html More than a dozen former members of billionaire Paul Allen's security detail have sued or settled with the co-founder of Microsoft and investment company Vulcan, with some alleging the family partakes in illegal activity and that his sister Jody Allen sexually harassed them. Vulcan attorney Harry Schneider described the claims as "meritless" and accused the employees of attempting to wring money out of their former employer, the seattlepi.com reported Friday. "These lawsuits were filed 18 months ago because Paul Allen declined to acquiesce when plaintiffs threatened to file their outlandish allegations in court unless they were paid money," Schneider said via email. Though the company has fought to push the lawsuits into secret arbitration, Schneider went on to say Vulcan "expects to prevail in court." Allen made his fortune as Microsoft's co-founder. He now is the chairman of Vulcan Inc., which he founded with his sister Jody Allen in 1986. He also owns the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Trail Blazers. The news website reports that at least five former members of the Allens' personal security team have sued the siblings and Vulcan. Court documents indicate that 10 other former members of the team have previously settled with Vulcan after closed hearings before a private mediator. The former members of the Allens' personal security detail have made vague claims that the Allens were involved in criminal activity and bribery, and that Jody Allen sexually harassed security officers. They also claim other Vulcan executives ignored the behavior. Besides allegations of sexual harassment, court documents allege Jody Allen tried to sneak home giraffe bones while on safari in Botswana, but details are vague due to court orders and confidentiality agreements, the news website reported. Attorneys for two former leaders of the executive protection team, a retired FBI special agent among them, are scheduled to take their cases to a jury later this year. The Allens would be called to testify, as would dozens of current and former Vulcan employees alleged to have witnessed illegal or unethical activities. The Vulcan executive protection team is staffed by elite security contractors -- SEAL-school trained combat veterans among them -- paid to protect Paul and Jody Allen, as well as Jody Allen's children. Members of the team, which numbered eight to 14 people from 2010 to 2011, accompany the Allens when they travel and provide security for their properties. In a sworn statement, former team leader and retired FBI special agent Kathy Leodler said the Allens are now trying to hide criminal activity behind confidentiality agreements. "Let me be clear, I do not accept the assertion that crimes of corporate executives can be covered up by an agreement to protect trade secrets or Allen 'privacy,'" Leodler said in a declaration to the court. "In spite of ... ethical rhetoric and interviews of its executives and founder, it is clear that the core of Vulcan is based on extended patterns of executive corruption, a contamination of my workplace caused by criminal conduct, unethical behavior, obstruction of justice and a willingness of many indifferent executives to implicate others in the wrongful actions." Leodler is among the three ex-employees whose lawsuit is still being pursued in open court. An FBI agent for 23 years, Leodler was serving as acting special-agent-in-charge of the Bureau's San Diego office when she retired in 2007 and went to work in private security. In court documents, Leodler claims she started hearing complaints shortly after she was hired to head the division in October 2010. Officers claimed they were being sexually harassed by Jody Allen and were directed to cover up crimes committed by the Allens, attorney Rebecca Roe said in court documents. Roe represents Leodler and several other former Vulcan employees. In June 2011, Leodler learned a safari guide was detained by Botswana customs officials after Jody Allen was caught with giraffe bones in her luggage, Roe said in court documents. The incident prompted Leodler to conduct an investigation that left her concerned that her team was being asked to bribe foreign officials, falsify customs declarations and smuggle protected items. A spokeswoman for Vulcan declined to discuss the allegations in detail. Attorneys for the Allens have issued a blanket denial of all claims of wrongdoing. Leodler and four other employees who have sued contend that they were fired or forced out around the time all Vulcan was offering large bonus payments in exchange for agreements not to sue the company. Instead, they would be required to go before a private arbitrator, effectively removing any disputes from public view.
