Mass shootings are an anomaly. A rarity. A blip on the screen. His son is more likely to be killed by an Uber driver than a mass shooter. Mass traffic fatalities occur EVERY SINGLE DAY. You offer no solution. You display no outrage. 60,000 deaths per year from opioid OD's. You offer no solution. You display no outrage.
Oh no, Cippy had to protect the republicans and ask that Sly troll the democrats, but he's NUETRAL! C'mon man.
Okay.... I'll play along. Just gonna play devil's advocate here. Mass traffic fatalities- Lets see???? First you would have to actually look at how many passenger vehicles are in the US and what makes they are. Because what you are comparing it to is a debate about a certain type of gun or guns and the use they actually impose. so i will allow you to catch up a bit with those of us that have actually studied this particular argument Here is a pretty good link that covers most every car maker sold in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States Great! Now that you are caught up a bit with how many and what types we are comparing guns to lets look at the argument imposed? "Mass Transit Fatalities" compared to "Mass Shootings". Now i have added every kind of transit into this because you have in fact done so also but as you can see the US by comparison leads the way in not only traffic safety but overall per capita numbers. As a matter of fact the difference is staggering beings that the US has the 2nd most cars of every nation in the world behind only China which stands to reason with how many people they have over there. Still cars/people the US is overwhelmingly the leader. This would be due to all of the "Solutions" put forth by people over the last 50-100 years. Education, Licensing, drivers training, Automobile safety, Insurance, the DMV system and even judicial system when people have decided they didn't want to follow the rules have all had their effect. How about MADD? Mothers against Drunk Driving staged quite possibly the most effective campaign this country has ever seen. Here is another link for you to study- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States If you are actually trying to make a statement about the "Outrage" people have displayed about the way people die in cars and other kinds of transportation over the years i beg you to start educating yourself. There are very few industries that have been under greater scrutiny than "Mass Transit". It's not just the US either. It's literally international law and regulations so people understand the rules of the road. Here is another link for you to study up on- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Signs_and_Signals How about we put the gun makers and people who sell them under the same scrutiny as those allowed to sell cars? Then we can have all gun owners become licensed and insured to use and own a gun. Then we can make them bring their gun in every 2 years to have it checked. Of course we will have to put a fee on every gun for this also. Then we can imposed a shooting police like traffic cops to make sure you are always using your gun at the correct level of safety. We could impose shooting speed laws and ticket you if you have shot too fast. Then we can put tracking devices like "On Star" on every new gun. How does that sound to ya? Then we could impose laws on the very type of Fuel/bullets you use in your gun? Wow this is sounding better by the minute. Here is another link for you to study- Understand there are 132 other links on this link alone you must wade through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration Now I will go into opiates and addiction services and what is being done on that when you catch up on mass transit. I will give you a month to read and understand what i have given you to this point. Go ahead and get back to us when you have caught up. Thanks....
I don't think it is pathetic that you want your guns. Truly I get that. But what IS pathetic is that our children are being murdered and your team seems to offer no solution other than 'that's a sad offshoot of our Constitutional right.' That is pathetic.
I wasn't protecting anybody, just pointing something out. Did you see my anti trump post a while go? hmmmm
Well Paul has to do something, trying to protect his Seahawks, who should probably be put down at this point.
Don’t you think it’s kind of sad how both sides handle it? Second a tragedy happens the CNN’s and Fox new’s of the world run off to find the persons political views to see if it fits their agenda’s or not, then they both turn it into politics anti-gun or pro gun, or whatever. I don’t think the hands of either side are completely clean here. In the world of politics the only thing that matters is their agenda and angles in which they can fortify and push it. I have heard many more right leaning people say let’s work on mental health at a younger age, I’ve heard more left leaning folks say gun laws, and there is probably merit to both sides of the coin, but to say they didn’t offer any solutions kind of sounds more like they didn’t offer any solutions that fit the agenda of the one saying there was no solution. This happens all the time in politics not just with violence in school but one side screaming you haven’t offered a solution and I have, when most of the time that’s not true they just didn’t like the solutions threw out there.
These kids are getting the guns from their parents stash. Thats what needs to be looked at to stop these shootings. Start holding parents responsible and I guarentee, parents will start making damned sure those guns are locked up tight where their kids can't get to them. Mental illness, bullying in school, conflict resolution. There needs to be conversations about these as well. Get students involved. Change needs to happen
Of course these measures won't stop all gun violence. There is no panacea. Opponents of firearms safety LOVE to say "this won't stop all shootings", essentially demanding 100% effectiveness or do nothing. Gun safety measures won't stop 100% of shootings. Seat belts don't stop 100% of traffic fatalities. Birth control doesn't prevent 100% of unwanted pregnancies. But they work a hell of a lot better than thoughts and prayers.
I wish the thread title stated the actual topic of the thread. Raising the age requirement to 21 is a good idea in my opinion.
I live in, have grown up in, and am around a rural gun culture, I don't see what's so bad about the legislation he's donating to here. It's not like he's trying to ban all guns or anything.
I knew folks when I lived in Oregon who were hunters, they got deer, pheasants, to eat and share. They followed the laws and kept their guns unloaded and locked up when not in use. I have no issue with them. However squeamish I might feel about killing one's dinner, as long as I eat meat I can't complain (and I do buy soft shell crabs, which I need to kill myself, when available).
