OT New NFL Kneeling Rule

Fair enough. I'm totally with you on this.

I'm really using their own language against them. They claim their fighting for our freedoms.

One of those freedoms is freedom of expression.

 

Get angry because answers don’t support your stance... nice

 

Oh, I get it. It's a sound argument. I just strongly disagree with the idea that our military is being used to fight for our freedom. The military has unfortunately been turned into a tool to safeguard and increase corporate profits - and they do so largely using the lives of the poor.

 

1. Minimizing the feelings of someone with a different background and point of view as you when that person has contributed way more to our freedom than you ever will... because if it’s not your view it’s wrong? No gratitude in life and full of excuses, you must have a sad soul.

2. Move to Norway

3. Stereotyping and accusing everyone that disagrees with kneeling during the anthem as racist... pathetic

 

When the foundation of your argument is built on a fallacy, your entire argument is null and void.

 

What’s the fallacy?

 

That the military is fighting for our freedom.
That if anyone thinks another country is better than the US, they should move there.
That people who are against kneeling aren't being hugely hypocritical (at best).
Your questions are irrelevant. They are the same tactic that the "right" is using to re-frame the act/discussion into something it's not.

 

I think the issue is that Republicans have convinced there base that minorities are after all there stuff, and want to suppress there freedom's. Democrats have convinced there base that white people don't want them here. Shades of truth to all of it, but it's become political rather than about fighting for the right for everyone to be treated equally, they're fighting a political battle over who can get votes. It's made it incredibly hard to have conversations about it, without being called a racist, or a snowflake or a lot of things.
I can understand why some white family on an average salary who worked hard went to school, and is struggling to get by would look at what they perceive to be a much more successful individual (an athlete, or Hollywood actor, or whomever), telling them they're garbage, because they would like to just watch a football game or be entertained by a movie without getting into the more serious dark side of the country, that most of them feel like they have no power over the problems. Or that the white family has it so much better than them because they're white.
I also understand that to a lot of individuals they feel like it's their best (and maybe only) platform to bring up those issues, because though progress has been made, there are still problems. I say they should protest in whatever legal and peaceful manner they see fit, if it's kneeling than fine, if it's something else than that is good too. If it offends someone, even a military person than maybe they should take that opportunity to think about where there at in life and why it offends them. If someone telling me that they see an issue with police brutality, or that they don't get treated as well as I do because of their skin color, doesn't at least make me think about what it must be like to walk in there shoes than I have a problem.

It's sad that the message got turned what it has, because it was never anti-american, or anti-a piece of waving cloth with stars on it. It was about wanting to talk about how do they make their communities safer, and people safer.

 

We can spend all day talking about if we personally think it’s disrespectful... my point is, if even one military family who lost a loved one feels it’s disrespectful, then players shouldn’t do it, because those families feelings should matter as they have sacrificed for our freedom. It’s not like it’s helping the cause anyways, just causing a distraction. I’m very supportive of police reform... at the same time I am greatful for the military that has afforded my family freedom and opportunity to make a good life as immigrants that came here with nothing... players have many resources at their hands to make a difference... this seems to be more about ego and not being told what to do, which is sad

 

1 - the military is a job and you don’t get to pick your customers.

2 - I have put in a job request for my company’s European HQ, but honestly there’s strong competition for the open positions.

3 - sorry you don’t like the answers to your jingoistic junk questions.

 

And that's asinine. I cannot control how you feel about something - that's only something you can control. But you* want to control the actions of others because you're unable to control how you feel and react to those external actions?

*Maybe not "you", but the hypothetical family you're so concerned about.

 

Is there no other way to bring awareness to issues than kneeling during the anthem? Also, do you think this method has worked or made things worse?

 

...so I guess they compromised

"NFL owners are on the verge of approving a new national anthem policy that requires players to stand if they are on the field during the performance but gives them the option to remain in the locker room if they prefer, sources told ESPN the Magazine's Seth Wickersham on Wednesday.

The new policy subjects teams to a fine if a player or any other team personnel do not show appropriate respect for the anthem. That includes any attempt to sit or kneel, as dozens of players have done during the past two seasons. Those teams will also have the option to fine any team personnel, including players, for the infraction.

A vote took place at the conclusion of the league's spring meeting and was unanimously approved by the NFL's 32 owners."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

 

I feel like this is a fair compromise...

 

We're talking about it, aren't we? So obviously it has helped tremendously...despite the best efforts of the "right" to re-frame the discussion.

I put "right" in quotes to denote I'm merely using it as short-hand. I do not believe everyone on the conservative side of the political spectrum aligns with the hypocrites looking to distract from the real issue(s) at hand.

 

Actually no one is talking about police brutality, it’s become a discussion about the flag instead... how has this helped tremendously? What accomplishments have come from this? Seems like things have got worse