Event 2018 NBA Finals, Warriors vs Cavaliers.

I wonder how GS will change their schemes.

 

They probably won’t, I think outside of Lebron they don’t really care who Cleveland rolls out...

 

What you call a good move, I call a desperation move.

At least we agree that it's a move.

BNM

 

Anyone accused LeBron of this is just dead wrong and doesn't know their NBA history.

 

Lol. That's not a gameplan.

 

Why doesn’t Bosh and Wade take heat for joining forces too? Super teams have basically always been a part of the NBA.
Lebron, has places where he can be critiqued because he’s human, like the rest of us, but he didn’t really start that trend. Shaq post LAL traveled to Miami and Cleveland hoping to team up with younger guys to help get championships, when Lebron, Bosh and Wade came together it was to try to beat Boston, who
Had beat them down for a while.
While I can understand, people who didn’t like the “the Decision”, especially if you’re a cabs fan, he wasn’t the 1st or last team up with great players in free agency...

 

Maybe it’s harsh, but I sometimes question if Lue even has a game plan other than please Lebron have 40 points and a triple double...

 

I didn't like The Decision either.

But it's like people forgot we live in a capitalist society.

When I found out he made 6 million (3 of which went to TB&GC) I didn't care anymore.

 

Nah I know it went to the boys and girls club, and honestly it didn’t matter that much to me, he played out his contract dudes free to do what he wants. I feel the same about KD and LMA, though with KD I think it looked kind of like a “weak” move to go to a 73 win team that he had just lost too, but still his decision, his life.
Athletes don’t owe fans anything we gotta stop acting like they do, sure we can criticize them it comes with the job they do, but ultimately they have to make their own decisions.
If I had one critique of Lebron it would be the whole “Lebron the GM”, stuff and I will completely admit I don’t know how much power he has had over Cleveland , or ofhow much pressure his “camp” put on them to pay guys like JR Smith, love, Thomspon, etc. the roster around him isn’t very good, but how much of that was on him? Don’t know obviously he has all the leverage over there but who knows how much he’s used it.
Anyways the guys an awesome basketball player, yeah it sucks the Blazers aren’t in the Final, but watching Lebron be great is still fun to me.

 

I did not say anyone pushed him out. But yeah I do think the constant criticism of him not being able to win championships at that time did take a toll on him. It does for most players. It will for Dame at some point.....the media is already implying Dame is wasting his time in Portland. Will the constant chatter eventually take a toll? Did Clyde become a better player just by winning in Houston at the tail end of his career? Has Durant changed his legacy because he joined a championship team in GS? Not in my mind. I can tell who was great and who was not regardless of their jewelry.

 

They had been formed organically prior to the Heatles. Drafts, trades, free agents...but not a group of established stars realizing they could leverage things in their favor. As soon as the players became more important to team shaping than the GMs, the league quickly devolved into the non-competitive mess we see today.

Wade takes no heat because he was already there. Bosh was the third wheel and is easily overlooked. LeBron was the driving force.

 

You just shifted the blame to the media is all...

Articles supporting that view? I don't recall that ever being the discussion. It was still very early in his career and he had been to the Finals. That sounds like a strawman argument you're presenting.

 

Yes I did shift it to the media, but I was very careful to use the word IF. Not saying they were to blame I said if anyone was to blame start there.... not Lebron.

Strawman argument? Did you not have satellite radio during that time?

 

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh were three of the 4 best players in PER in the league in 2009-10. Then all 3, as free agents, decided to sign with the same team. When has this happened before or since? The GS situation was Durant merely joining a team that was a champion without him. This doesn't mean that teams haven't had multiple great players in the past. The 1980s Celtics and Lakers were loaded. But it's not like Magic, Jordan, and Bird didn't all decide to sign with the Bucks one year.

 

Durant showed he had no competitive spirit. A recent MVP who decided to just go relax on a team that didn't need him. Durant, despite the MVP award, will never be considered one of the greats for this reason. Jordan didn't join the Pistons. He beat them.

 

Well in Lebrons case if he wants to go play with Bosh and Wade that’s fine, why is it only ok if the a GM goes out and gets Ray Allen and Garnett, but when a couple players want to play together it’s a problem?
I agree with KD, obviously his choice, it’s worked out for him he’s about to get a 2nd ring, but I will always have an issue seeing him as one of those in the “GOAT” convo’s. Ultimately when it comes down to it these guys have every right to go play where they want to and with who they want.

 

Yes, but some of that kills the experience for the fans. Ultimately, we pay their salaries.

 

No, and I still don't. Are we using the talking heads as resources now? That would actually be ironic, because all these LeBron as GOAT threads sound an awful lot like haters-turned-apologists, being too easily influenced by the prevailing direction the hot air is blowing from the talking heads' mouths.