Religion My priest lectured us about suicide and mental health today

I know, they kept baptizing Jews who died in the holocaust. Shameful.

 

He might've said this, but then like many Preachers/Ministers/Christians/Biblethumpers/etc... He's picking and choosing what in the bible he wants to believe in.

John 10:14 through 16 NKJV I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Matthew 6:9 through 15 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. 14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 5:43 through 48 NKJV "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

However there are plenty more verses in which Jesus focuses on the non-believers.
These few were just off the top of my head.

Disclaimer - I do not follow christian teachings. But it's statements like this minister guy which prevents me from interacting with Christians due to their willingness to pick and choose what best fits them at the time.

At the end of the day Christianity says you must not pass judgement onto others, less you be judged.
If you choose to not like that, or not follow that... Well that's on you. & It's between you and God.

 

So what you're saying is Christians are like Rockets fans and the bible is like the rule book and they choose any section that excuses Harden's flopping. Got it

 

Maybe they are.... Or maybe it is a tie. Just came across this. Maybe it is fake

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/12/einsteins-travel-diaries-reveal-shocking-xenophobia

 

Just read a study that only about half of suicides relate to depression, the rest more due to social causes.

Anyway - I think we just may have to agree to disagree. I get that Platypus is sincere, but, no offense, the ideas sound loony to me. Don't be angry over horrible things done to me, my loved ones, the world as a whole because Jesus suffered and said forgive them, allegedly? (Still no answer on whether god did forgive, or where Pilate & Judas are spending eternity.)

Everyone has the right to their own beliefs and to try and live by their beliefs. My objection is when religious people, or people simply pretending to be religious for political purposes, want to make me live by their beliefs.

 

Well, to state it as simply as I can, all you need to do is believe and ask.

As to the degree of good versus bad, it is not relevant. All men are sinners and without Gods grace are lost.

 

Ha!
I think we find the first time we disagree. While I know you are sincere and you are speaking the Christian way, this is hard bridge to cross for many people. It is illogical!
Too bad to because the great good Christianity is, could be greater with more Christians taught the goodness of Christianity. This road block is unnecessary to preach, even though I do believe
it is partially true. Holiness can not be earned, but then forgiveness to the ultimate most extreme test is over the top. This is an unnecessary test, it is simply a Faith test.
I can't do it, too many others can't either. Pretty silly to be excluding these people. Rather like asking Trump to not accept the votes of people the Democrats hate.

 

Yeah, I get it. Common argument. Man would rather create a "God" that allows for their behavior.

Fortunately, I do not have to make these distinctions on my own. The entire New Testament is based upon the belief that Jesus is the Son of God, and that only through him are we allowed grace. This is the basic division between Christians and Jews.

 

I don't see any way that it's shameful. After all, it does show that they care about other human beings. And what's the harm to the Jews? None from their perspective.

 

Desecrates the memory of those murdered because they were Jews to make them supposedly Christian against their will.

If you care about others feed the hungry.

 

It appears that you are replying to my topic post and if that is correct, your response does not make sense? Were you replying to someone else?

 

>>>Well I can see right here that you firmly believe you are absolutely in the right. I think I should leave you your place.

>>> Well it not quite the message I was trying to communicate, But I see it is your take, same as @PtldPlatypus .

>>> No it is not! If it were I would question the how the religion attracted so many. There is much good taught by Jesus in the NT, that is desirable to be taught event today. To grasp this good does not require a man to believe Jesus is God, or the Son of God. No man that is still is a work in progress, can logically be required to have this faith.

>>> Oh man! Not true at all. The entire contradictions between the teachings of the NT verses the Torah is almost the essence of the work of Jesus. In fairness, I do see why your emphases is the other way around. And this difference in emphases is at the root of my objection to the preachers of Christianity. You do not sell the good of Jesus, you require like kind commitment of like kind faith.

Yes I know, you are not alone at all. Perhaps I am, but I doubt it. Perhaps some of us mere men, can only go part way.
I in no way intend this to be a criticism of Christianity. More like a criticism of tactics, teach the good to us dummies, not perfect faith. We do not all need a pathway to heaven, just a good life will due. It is a hell of a start in finding the Roman road.

 

I know you are sincere. So I forgive you.

 

Nothing is done against the will of the Jews. They wouldn't even know about it until the after life if the Mormons were correct and I'm not saying they are.

If they spoke ill of the Jews I could see your point about desecrating, but quite the opposite, they revere the Jews. How do I know this? My next door neighbors for three years were Mormons and tried their best to convert me. I've even read the book of Mormon.

No, I don't subscribe to that sect but I do recognize them as good and decent human beings.

As for doing for others like feeding the hungry, I've declared that I do that through my church upteen times already.

 

While I understand you are explaining the Christian ethos I do think degrees matter. Sure all men are flawed. But where one person might hurl an insult and another might kill, those distinctions matter and completely differentiate ones badness. For both to have the same option for forgiveness and redemption is inappropriate in my opinion.

 

These are people who died for their religion and the Mormans are tossing that in the trash. They might mean well but it is wrong. Especially since many have asked time and time again for our last wishes to be respected. It is very disrespectful towards Judaism.

 

And I am glad you receive peace and happiness from this. But I could not willingly subordinate my logic. My mind is who I am. It is through my logic I try to be good, thoughtful and a benefit to society. I find the concept of willingly disregarding logic to be very wrong and detrimental to this world.