Who is Neil going to trade for

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  1. chzbrgr

    chzbrgr Well-Known Member

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    You got steve Kerr up your sleeve? How about the best shooter in the world? A dpoy maybe?

    All you’re doing is making false equivalencies. You’re better than that.
     
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    Wow, this is great. I was going off memory, let's see if I have it now.

    Since 1980 (about 39 years),
    Top 14 markets: 30 Championships
    LeBron + Duncan + NO ONE ELSE: 9 Championships

    Congrats, Noobs. If you don't have LeBron or Duncan on your team, you have not (and probably will not) win
    a championship.

     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Just saying, recent history shows that being a middle of the pack team with a large payroll isn't the WORST place to be.

    All it took in GSW was a coaching change to go from 51-wins and a 1st round exit to 67 wins and an NBA title. Kerr basically got WAY more out of virtually the same roster Jackson had the year before. You have to be good before you can become great. If you're alternative is to be VERY bad, be prepared to be VERY bad for a decade, or more, and still probably not win an NBA title.

    Unless you draft the next LeBron, he leaves after 7 years, you're very bad again, get THE first pick in the draft 3 times in 4 years, he feels guilty and comes back, and you finally win a championship 13 years later - maybe.

    Which sounds more likely? The GSW route of continuing to build on what you have, or blowing it up, tanking, trusting the process and hoping that you get lucky, draft a once per generation player AND he's willing to patiently wait for YEARS while you try to build a team around him?

    They are both long shots, but if neither is very likely to win a championship, I'd rather not endure a decade of 20-something win teams that have no chance of even sniffing the playoffs.

    BNM
     
  4. chzbrgr

    chzbrgr Well-Known Member

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    I raise you Philly. It doesn’t take a decade but it takes about 5 years of trash to get to a team with a championship ceiling. Then 3 years with that group. This group has reached its ceiling unfortunately. We can’t really expect this group as is to complete for anything meaningful. Everyone knows this deep down but only some can admit it.

    There is no clear way forward which we agree about but doing the same thing year after year and being promised growth has gotten real old. IMO it comes from a severe lack of self awareness in the front office. We’ve landed in a place where all of our assets mean more to us than they do around the league and we gotta make some tough decisions because of it.

    I got nothing to be exited about for next season at this point. It’s going to be the same it’s been the last 3 seasons 43-49 wins and a first round exit. What can we do to raise the ceiling? Are we really satisfied with seasons like the last? Is that all the success we can expect from the blazers? I want to be relevant but I might be alone in that.
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I guess I just choose to be more optimistic than you. I saw our defense go from bottom 5 to top 8. This flies directly in the face of all the Dame and C.J. can't coexist naysayers, yet it happened. To me, that was a significant improvement that took the team from 41 wins to 49, even though the Western Conference and specifically the NW Division got MUCH tougher.

    I also do not believe this group has reached it's ceiling. Our best player just made 1st team All NBA for the first time. He hasn't started to decline, he's still improving. Nurk is 23 and Collins is 20. Those are two key pieces moving forward, and neither has come close to reaching their peak.

    We also have a first round pick, two significant trade exceptions and the tax payer MLE to work with. We need a veteran 3 and D wing, either as a 3rd guard or a starting SF. I believe that will be addressed within the next month.

    Will we be challenging GSW for a title this coming season? Short of another super team built around LeBron, no one will, but with Dame and C.J. just starting to enter their prime, and Nurk and Collins not even close yet, I still believe we will peak as GSW is beginning to decline.

    Personally, even without knowing our final roster, I believe we will win 50+ games, make it to at least the second round and be competitive there, perhaps even make the WCF if the matchups are favorable (i.e. not GSW). That's based on Dame having another 1st team All NBA season, Nurk and Collins improving and using the exceptions and draft to address our biggest weaknesses.

    BNM
     
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    Just stop it with your well reasoned posts - you're wearing out my LIKE button :)
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Liked!

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    This is a nice story if you take everything at surface value... Blazers were only 3 games from being out of playoffs altogether... they had full training camp and healthiest roster in league while other teams in West dealt with major injuries... Blazers caught opposing teams with their best player out on many nights, which may factor into defensive improvement... completely shut down in playoffs when teams have time to game plan... I don’t see the improvement you do... I can actually see them not making the playoffs next season... seems like moon and stars aligned for 49 wins but they were exposed in playoffs
     
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    I know they're not a small market but for a team that was in the dumpster...the Chauncy Billups Pistons got a championship the way I think we should...defense and team ball.….not a superstar on that team
     
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    This reminds me of how I felt about the blazers in the 90s. Didn’t happen then either.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Well, in 2000 we came closest to winning a title since '77 and we didn't tank to do it.

    BNM
     
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    In the words of Pat Riley....until MJ retires, every team is playing for second place
     
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    You guys need to get a room.
     
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    It's called the draft war room, that's the room we need!
    Of course, the green room would be cool, too.
     
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    Always has been my favorite time of year. Sitting at home with two laptops running and the big screen ready for action. Pathetic.
     
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