^ Your crazy.I would go with Sam Mitchell in a heartbeat, over anyone including Sloan. Sloan has gotten robbed in the past, but not this year.Toronto has been a joke until this year, they are a realy up and coming team. Utah is full of veterans on their last couple hoo-rahs. Sam Mitchell definately did a much better coaching job. Bryan Colangelo should also get executive of the year. No one does better scouting internationally then the Colangelo clan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Apr 24 2007, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People are forgetting how bad his lineup was last year. Having start Aruajo and Matt Bonner at center at times is horrid and unbearable. No one gives him credit for bringing up Chris Bosh, no one gives him credit for bringing up Charlie Villeneuva, who in Milwaukee's system totally flopped and stopped producing.</div> Bringing up Chris Bosh? Chris Bosh is a superstar, are we going to give the credit to Phil Jackson for bringing up Michael Jordan? No. Michael Jordan was just a great player. What system are you talking about? Villanueva didn't flop in Milwaukee, he had numerous injuries and was benched because of his defense....offensively he was producing just as well as he did in Tornoto, but unlike Toronto last season, Stotts didn't put up with his defensive lapses. (Not to mention Brian Skinner was beastly).-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The`Dream @ Apr 24 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ Your crazy.I would go with Sam Mitchell in a heartbeat, over anyone including Sloan. Sloan has gotten robbed in the past, but not this year.Toronto has been a joke until this year, they are a realy up and coming team. Utah is full of veterans on their last couple hoo-rahs. Sam Mitchell definately did a much better coaching job.</div> ^ Your crazy. Sam Mitchell like CB4 said is not a top coach. He had a much better season because Colangelo got him international veterans, they lucked out with injuries and played in a sh*tty conference. I think he did a good job, but come on, he's not even a top 10 coach. You put Jerry Sloan in Toronto, I'm sure 100% of Raptors fans would make the switch in a heartbeat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bull6475 @ Apr 24 2007, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally like the choice. Heck of a job turning the morbid franchise around. No one expected this much. Reminds me of the 2004-05 Bulls, Skiles should have gotten coach of the year that year.</div>Says the Bull fan. The Suns turnaround was much more impressive that year.I really think Sloan should have won this year. He did a great job and is one of the best coaches there has ever been so it's wrong that after all these years he hasn't won one. This was a tough team to coach for him he said. So many young guys when he's used to coaching experienced vets and he did a great coaching job with them and may retire very soon without that award.
He was blessed with rapid improvements in the offseason and a developing Chris Bosh. He didnt get better as a coach....his team did. He fed off of the weak western conference and his teams improvements. Great year for the raptors, but the award should actually go to a coach who is the best, not an average one like Mitchell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 25 2007, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ironically, even with the hardware he won't have a job next season anyway.</div>What in the world are you talking about? And I will admit at times I was just completely confused on some of the choices Sam would make but he did not have a lot to really go on until this year. Although his mistakes have been few and far between because we were awesome in late game situations but that first game of the playoffs he was feeling some nerves as well because the mistakes by Joey Graham may have costed us that game. And for Sam to keep going to him was shocking, it was nice to see him sit him early send him a message but after what Mo showed I expect him to get the bulk of the minutes once agian. We don't have time to tutor Graham right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Apr 25 2007, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ironically, even with the hardware he won't have a job next season anyway.</div>What? We're not going to fire him, that's ridiculous...He's a young up and coming coach, and he really did a good job this year. You're ridiculous. Why would we fire him?
If the Knicks make the playoffs, I'd give it to Isiah. Avery Johnson and Sloan(I guess-I wouldnt give it to him) are good candidates as wellIf I had a vote, it would be for Don Nelson. am I angry that Mitchell won Coach of the Year? Nothe Raptors won their first Division Title and he pulled himself out of a bad year last year into a consistent one this year(not counting the 2-8 start).getting Parker, Ford, and Barngani were big moves this year for them.but for that Coangelo gets Exec of the Year.
the expectations were high but those werent the real expectations as you see he got a big contract before the season even ended so he met the real expectations. the wins improvement would have been great if he got them to win enough games to make the post season. he had that team playing really solid this year with Starbury, Lee, Curry, Crawford and Balkman being an unexpected energy guy. and we all know who Nate is...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>^ Your crazy. Sam Mitchell like CB4 said is not a top coach. He had a much better season because Colangelo got him international veterans, they lucked out with injuries and played in a sh*tty conference. I think he did a good job, but come on, he's not even a top 10 coach.You put Jerry Sloan in Toronto, I'm sure 100% of Raptors fans would make the switch in a heartbeat.</div>Coach of the year isn't the best coach, its the coach who did the best job with what he had to work with, thus your last statement has no standing whatsoever. I'd say Utah had a ton more to work with, Sam Mitchell did a good job. You can't not reward him for improving his team by 20 wins. Plus, who says Jerry Sloan did a good coaching job. The stars have all seemingly been aligned for the Jazz before. Heck, they had guys (AK) that are still disappointing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 24 2007, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bringing up Chris Bosh? Chris Bosh is a superstar, are we going to give the credit to Phil Jackson for bringing up Michael Jordan? No. Michael Jordan was just a great player. What system are you talking about? Villanueva didn't flop in Milwaukee, he had numerous injuries and was benched because of his defense....offensively he was producing just as well as he did in Tornoto, but unlike Toronto last season, Stotts didn't put up with his defensive lapses. (Not to mention Brian Skinner was beastly).------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ Your crazy. Sam Mitchell like CB4 said is not a top coach. He had a much better season because Colangelo got him international veterans, they lucked out with injuries and played in a sh*tty conference. I think he did a good job, but come on, he's not even a top 10 coach. You put Jerry Sloan in Toronto, I'm sure 100% of Raptors fans would make the switch in a heartbeat.</div>Last year CV3 averaged 13 and 6, this year hes averaging 11 and 5. Sure he was swamped with injuries, but there is no way you can say he would average the same under Sam Mitchell. Also, Bosh was not a superstar like Jordan. Jordan averaged 28/6/6 as a rookie. Bosh a big man, averaged 11 and 7. Now tell me how Bosh who now leads a franchise, and is averaging 22 and nearly 11 improved all by himself. Also, Bargnani who knew next to nothing about the NBA, thrives under Mitchell's system. Mike James, who averaged 20 points and 6 assists under Sam Mitchell, he averges 10 and 4 in Minnesota. Sam Mitchell knows how to bring up rookies, he knows how to deal with players. The only thing he doesn't have is playoff experience, but since COY is judged on in the reg. season, Mitchell deserves it. Also, no one tell me that he had a good team to being with. I give him credit for making this team good. Most people predicted us to be in the bottom of the Atlantic, and getting the third seed is above and beyond the call of duty. IMO, Sam Mitchell went above and beyond the call of duty this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Apr 25 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Last year CV3 averaged 13 and 6, this year hes averaging 11 and 5. Sure he was swamped with injuries, but there is no way you can say he would average the same under Sam Mitchell. Also, Bosh was not a superstar like Jordan. Jordan averaged 28/6/6 as a rookie. Bosh a big man, averaged 11 and 7. Now tell me how Bosh who now leads a franchise, and is averaging 22 and nearly 11 improved all by himself. Also, Bargnani who knew next to nothing about the NBA, thrives under Mitchell's system. Mike James, who averaged 20 points and 6 assists under Sam Mitchell, he averges 10 and 4 in Minnesota. Sam Mitchell knows how to bring up rookies, he knows how to deal with players. The only thing he doesn't have is playoff experience, but since COY is judged on in the reg. season, Mitchell deserves it. Also, no one tell me that he had a good team to being with. I give him credit for making this team good. Most people predicted us to be in the bottom of the Atlantic, and getting the third seed is above and beyond the call of duty. IMO, Sam Mitchell went above and beyond the call of duty this season.</div> Ugh....CV would have put up the same PPG/RPG he did in Toronto if it weren't the injuries and defensive lapses. He didn't regress this season, he was the same player but in a different situation. Villanueva's numbers would have been down in Toronto this season with all the additions at SF/PF....And I'm not comparing MJ and Bosh, I just used that as an example that superstar players are going to be superstar players regardless of the coach. Are you saying Mitchell is the reason for Bosh's development? I don't know what your getting at by saying, 'you tell me he did it all by himself'....Players improve largely based on their own work ethic, I'm not going to sit here and say, 'well looks what Terry Stotts and Terry Porter did with Michael Redd'...no...your giving the coach too much credit....young players work hard during the summer and come back and show improvement in their numbers. Mike James averaged all those points because he was a ballhog on a bad team, it didn't have anything to do with Mitchell. Everyone knew he wouldn't repeat those big numbers after he got his money and was put in Minnesota. I give Colangelo most of the credit. You giving Mitchell all this credit, for Bosh and for Bargnani....I mean, come on, Bargnani got 20 minutes and got to shoot the ball which is his thing, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.... Sam Mitchell is better than people gave him credit for in the past but giving him all this credit because Colengelo brought in very solid players is foolish....Mitchell clearly benefitted from having a smarter/much more experienced team, it was not his genius coaching effort.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 25 2007, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ugh....CV would have put up the same PPG/RPG he did in Toronto if it weren't the injuries and defensive lapses. He didn't regress this season, he was the same player but in a different situation. Villanueva's numbers would have been down in Toronto this season with all the additions at SF/PF....And I'm not comparing MJ and Bosh, I just used that as an example that superstar players are going to be superstar players regardless of the coach. Mike James averaged all those points because he was a ballhog on a bad team, it didn't have anything to do with Mitchell. Everyone knew he wouldn't repeat those big numbers after he got his money and was put in Minnesota. I give Colangelo most of the credit. You giving Mitchell all this credit, for Bosh and for Bargnani....I mean, come on, Bargnani got 20 minutes and got to shoot the ball which is his thing, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.... Sam Mitchell is better than people gave him credit for in the past but giving him all this credit because Colengelo brought in very solid players is foolish....Mitchell clearly benefitted from having a smarter/much more experienced team, it was not his genius coaching effort.</div>Have you looked at our lineup last year???PG: Mike JamesSG: Morris PetersonSF: Joey GrahamPF: Chris BoshC: Matt Bonner/Aruajo/Loren Woods/Aged Antonio Davis/CV3Take James out of the situation. Your only two solid players were Peterson and Bosh. No one at the Center role could play against the bigs in the NBA, and Mike James was forced to play ball hog. I wanted to compare someone in the NBA who averages around 20 PPG and compare him to James. I chose Rashard Lewis, Mike James only averaged 1 more FGA per game than him. He made around the same. No one calls him a ballhog, but we know hes one of the primary offensive players. Sure, Mike James did have a very bad shot selection though, taking 3's at the wrong times, which is what you should be mad at him for. He still got his share of assists per game.
We all know Mike James was playing ballhog to get a contract. Your saying, look at James' numbers in Toronto and now look at them in Minnesota'....It has nothing to do with Mitchell, James is now getting paid and is on completely different team with different coaches....Are you trying to give credit to Mitchell and his 'system' for James' numbers?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 25 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We all know Mike James was playing ballhog to get a contract. Your saying, look at James' numbers in Toronto and now look at them in Minnesota'....It has nothing to do with Mitchell, James is now getting paid and is on completely different team with different coaches....Are you trying to give credit to Mitchell and his 'system' for James' numbers?</div>Are you trying not to give him credit just because the players he has seem to be good? None of you knew how they would fair in the NBA if they were on another team. To say Sam Mitchell didnt play a part in first time NBA player's sucess is outrageous. I look at it as primary and secondary inudstries. You need to get the wood to make the furniture. But the people that make the furniture are equally as important. Withou because, Toronto is a 25-30 win franchise. Without Sam Mitchell, Toronto wouldnt have got to where they are this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Apr 25 2007, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you trying not to give him credit just because the players he has seem to be good? None of you knew how they would fair in the NBA if they were on another team. To say Sam Mitchell didnt play a part in first time NBA player's sucess is outrageous. I look at it as primary and secondary inudstries. You need to get the wood to make the furniture. But the people that make the furniture are equally as important. Withou because, Toronto is a 25-30 win franchise. Without Sam Mitchell, Toronto wouldnt have got to where they are this season.</div> That's purely opinion. You can compare furniture to NBA players all you want. Given the amount of turnover this team had, any number of coaches could probably have had the same success this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 25 2007, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What? We're not going to fire him, that's ridiculous...He's a young up and coming coach, and he really did a good job this year. You're ridiculous. Why would we fire him?</div>Wow. You just showed that I know your team more than you do. His contract ends after this year genius. And Colangelo is guaranteed to go after Iavaroni. Mitchell won't be a head coach.
