Were you a newsreading adult by 2001? Because you're using sources like 2012. Waterboarding was often in the media long before that. This is like when someone uses stats to tell me that Bill Walton wasn't great.
I have a long list of links to mainstream media articles about torture (sometimes softened to discuss only waterboarding) beginning soon after 2001. I haven't checked for a few years, but many probably got deleted by intelligence agencies. That's a problem with the internet taking over the news.
Yeah, by 2001 I was a 20 some years from military service. Haha, sure there was a disgruntled sector in the population, but the political will did not come to full boil till the early teens.
Oh, yeah..I do remember opb and some of the fringe were way ahead of this for a long time. And i do agree, a lot of resources seem to be very difficult to access now as compared to a decade ago.
What is this inordinate fear of waterboarding? My goodness, I find it uncomfortable but hardly torture.
US did this to their own troops as a survival training...I think it is still done to SEALs and other Special forces. Non lethal and very effective.
Pro-torturers divert the issue to waterboarding, a small subset of torture. But since you're unafraid of it, how about volunteering like some media pontificators did (and then backed out). For example https://thinkprogress.org/when-will...-to-be-waterboarded-for-charity-283df6447ad8/ Also, read the bottom, about search engines and Facebook not connecting to liberal newssites, to drive them out of business.
None other! You pulled the subject back to waterboarding, which is 1) about 1% of torture. 2) Also, you're thinking of how an American waterboards another American for practice, not to an enemy whose blood is pooled in the shower room from the beatings already received.
Something strange going down in this forum. I don't understand it, at all. I post this RIP for Mr Krauthammer, the day he passed. Not a peep. Lanny post another for reasons unknown. Then the forum goes nuts competing for the most hateful post. WTF is up with that?
Actually, you said waterboarding as above. I merely asked a strait forward question about the reason for the fear of it. Not pulling anything anywhere. but it sure as hell triggered you. Carry on!
Yep, was drafted. My dad said I was going to learn the manual of arms whether I went in the military or not. Every man in my family, all my uncles, father, brother, stepfather and his only brother, were in the military. All were in the Army except my brother who was a Marine. Two uncles were at Normandy in the paratroopers, one was at Anzio and in Korea in the paratroopers, my dad served on a B-17, one uncle was in the Bataan Death March, I was in combat in 1968 and now am permanently disabled going up to the VA hospital about 4 times a week. While in combat we underwent about 4 rocket attacks per week. I've had about two dozen surgeries as a result. I take about 24 pills a day and several shots. I have to watch my diet due to my disabilities. I manned a machine gun in combat. I've had three friends killed in combat in that war. I've got a U.S. flag and an Army flag on my 20 foot lighted flag pole with a gold eagle on top. So don't be giving me any shit about my right to say whatever the hell I want. I was in engineering school when I was drafted. I went back to engineering school when I got out. Had to recover a bit first. Walked with a cane for a while. God Damned any man who'd question my patriotism! After engineering school, I worked on and helped design some of the best electronics in the world. While I worked at Emerson Electronics' Electronics and Space Division I worked on an anti tank vehicle that worked with the Copperhead artillery and other smart munitions that I hope saved lives in the Gulf War. While at Boeing I worked building the box that shoots the largest and most accurate nuclear missile in the world. I also helped build a cruise missile and the V-22 Osprey. I then went on to sit on a high level panel to improve the producibility of all of Boeing's jumbo jets. My age and disabilities have caught up with me. I now have trouble walking more than a few steps without a cane and that's on a good day. I want you to shut up about my military or civilian contributions.
