I was a boy scout. We met in the church building that I now attend. Before that, I was a cub scout. I was a very good kid. Fished, swam like a fish and helped old people. Never told a lie until I was in my teens. Never ever missed church. Am I a Liberal. Unabashed Liberal. That comes from caring for the disadvantaged as I was taught in my Church. Heads of the CIA for one. You've never heard them say that?
I have a son who is as die hard conservative as anybody on this thread except maybe Maris.....I love him...we don't agree about politics at all so we just don't talk politics...to me this forum in OT is just like an irish pub....people are going to talk some smack. Whether it's about Trump or Hillary, best not to be about the guy on the bar stool next to you if you want to enjoy the pub
[QUOTE=". Heads of the CIA for one. You've never heard them say that?[/QUOTE] Unabashed Liberal...well, my man, nobody is perfect, although you appear to be damn close. As to the heads of the CIA, never met them at SERE. I have not had much faith in them for decades.
I had a boss at Boeing who use to say that we had to have something, I just can't recall the word he used but it meant the ability to put up with crap from others. Personally, I find that very difficult to do. I don't want to let others walk all over me or anyone else. But I do think I'd enjoy a pub whether it's in Ireland, Scotland, England or Germany (Ratskeller). I'm a talker but I do avoid controversial subjects except in here.