Just like when the Suns started tearing up the league with their break-neck pace, the Warriors are showing that a team can win in many different ways. The Warriors offensive system seems to run entirely off of hustle and opprotunity from broken up plays. It's weird, they're full of guys that do well in isolation (Jackson, Davis, Harrington, Ellis), but they're still pretty unselfish. Also, since they don't run very many set plays it doesn't really phase them when a team tries to take them out of their offense, you're actually playing into their hands (kinda like Melo and A.I. in Denver)What do you think about the Warriors style?
This is not new stuff. They play small and run. I honestly don't think they have much offensive cohesion, it's a lot of helter skelter stuff. And that to me is cheap basketball.I do think they have good talent and should have more offensive schemes. It seems like some of the times, they shoot early in the shot clock even when unneeded. And also can take bad shots. Despite all this, it seems they are effective but I don't think this as anything new.Edited: On another note, Suns did not create this fast paced offense. Mavs were doing it before them with Nellie, you had Run TMC and Showtime Lakers running and gunning as well. Plenty of teams have played this way in the past. Suns are not the founders.
That's true, the Suns aren't the founders. But when the Suns started playing like that there weren't many teams that were comitted to running like they were, so that made it very effective.I hate that everybody is deciding to use the same retarded term, "Helter-Skelter" to describe the Warriors offense What the hell does "Helter-Skelter" mean anyway? Look, it might seem stupid to base your offense on the breakdown of plays, but that is actually smart when you look at it. Every defense has one objective: To make the offense do things ouside of their normal set plays, but when the opposition's offense isn't based on set plays at all, your defense doesn't really achieve the desired effect that if the offense was based on set plays. it's not new, but the Warriors are definitely different from the rest of the playoff teams out there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I hate that everybody is deciding to use the same retarded term, "Helter-Skelter" to describe the Warriors offense What the hell does "Helter-Skelter" mean anyway?</div>It's been used since the 70's. And it means they play like an open gym team. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Look, it might seem stupid to base your offense on the breakdown of plays, but that is actually smart when you look at it.</div> It's not smart. Your telling me putting your offense on broken plays is smart? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But when the Suns started playing like that there weren't many teams that were comitted to running like they were, so that made it very effective.</div>Probably because running teams weren't winning championships with that style at the time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 26 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Edited: On another note, Suns did not create this fast paced offense. Mavs were doing it before them with Nellie, you had Run TMC and Showtime Lakers running and gunning as well. Plenty of teams have played this way in the past. Suns are not the founders.</div>Suns did not create the fast paced offense, but there has never been an offense like the ones the Suns' use now. No team ever has been the kind of 3pt threat the Suns are, and most transition oppertunities are setup to get the 3pt man open rather than a layup. That is what really seperates them from teams of the '80's and '90's. The mavs of the early '00's did not have near the versatility of the Suns team, the 3pt shooting of the Suns, and did not give Nash the kind of freedom or perfect teammates to make it work. They also didn't have the kind of big man that is Amare Stoudemire.As for the Warriors, I agree with you, it is cheap basketball. It will never win them a title, but it will work to get them a decent seed in the playoffs and possibly a series win or 2.
I wanted to elaborate on the "Helter Skelter" term. It's actaully a very famous roller coaster in England. Secondly, it was a Beatles song off the White Album. He wrote it about the coaster. Charles Manson then took it and derived something totally different about many of the songs on The White Album and believe that it might of been written in blood on one of the walls of the Tate murders. But yes, its suppose to mean that they dont play consistant all the way through and go through great runs and great droughts from the field.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 26 2007, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Warriors, I agree with you, it is cheap basketball. It will never win them a title, but it will work to get them a decent seed in the playoffs and possibly a series win or 2.</div>You can also make an argument that not putting up much of a defensive effort night after night and running all game is cheap basketball, but then you are discrediting the Suns. I don't see it as good for the game to assume that a certain style of play can never prevail in the NBA. The Warriors are jst bringing something different to the table, and it bugging the hell out of the Mavs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Apr 26 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can also make an argument that not putting up much of a defensive effort night after night and running all game is cheap basketball, but then you are discrediting the Suns. I don't see it as good for the game to assume that a certain style of play can never prevail in the NBA. The Warriors are jst bringing something different to the table, and it bugging the hell out of the Mavs.</div>Suns CAN play defense, and they have 3 very good individual defenders in Bell, Marion and Thomas (the first 2 being all-defensive team caliber). The problem with the Suns is that it is rarely showcased due to their style, and no matter how good they are defensively, they will give up a ton of points because of it.I never said a certain style can't prevail in the NBA. I personally picked the Suns to go all the way this year. But when you don't run many set plays, don't have any defensive stoppers whatsoever, and don't have the AMAZING personel that uptempo teams like the Suns and Showtime Lakers have/had, I do not believe they can win a title with teams like the Spurs and Mavs around.
here's the way the Warriors' style is innovative, and it's not offense.Their defense is a never before seen strange combination of steals, blocks, and opposing team violations that nets them an extra 10 possessions per game while helping their offense. It's a strange swarming defense based around double teams and the fact that everybody is 6'5"-6'9" and interchangeable.
