http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives...d_grab_telfair/<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Denver, Orlando and Minnesota are already being mentioned as possible new landing spots for Sebastian Telfair."I would think that the Celtics will try to get something for him," one Eastern Conference executive said Wednesday. "Once things settle down, I could see them looking to put him in a trade, being a guy who's included in a deal to make the numbers work. But somebody will take a shot on him. He's young and he made a mistake."</div>It's good to see that an executive sees us trying to deal him first, we'd be stupid to just flat out drop him. But would any of you guys take a flyer on Bassy? I would, personally. He's not gonna be a star and he's never going to live up to his pre-draft hype, but I still believe he will be a contributor (as does Danny Ainge). All he needs is to be put in an up-tempo system, and I think he'll be alright. In October/November, we were an up-tempo team and Bassy did a pretty good job, then we switched our style of play (Doc's wonderful "system") and he didn't do well. The same thing happened in Portland, they are a halfcourt team that runs their offense through a black hole PF. He didn't fit there, and many though he'd succeed here because Ainge has been preaching up-tempo since 03. That hasn't happened, it didn't work out.As for the off-court issue, I don't think it's half as serious as some people are making it out to be. He's not a bad kid, he has heart, and let's face the facts - he's 21 years old and only the 2nd point guard to ever make the jump from high school to the NBA. He needs time, everybody knew coming in that he'd be a project. Did we all expect more from him by now? Sure, I won't argue that, but he hasn't been in the right situation. He needs to go to an up-tempo system and I think he'd be fine.Of the 3 team listed in the short article above, Denver is far and beyond the best place for Bassy. I think he'd do a pretty good job off the bench in Denver next year. Minnesota and Orlando aren't great situations for him, IMO. I hope he goes to a team like Denver, Memphis, Philly, or LA (Clippers). Maybe even Sacramento. I just hope he gets put in a system that will get out and run, he'd be fine and I think he'd (in time) be a fan favorite in an up-tempo system.
He didn't really have that much draft hype the year he came out, NBA exectutives were not all that hot on him, most people thought Portland really reached for him. Most of the hype came from SLAM and from NY. I don't ever see him panning out, he's been in the league three years and has not improved much at all, I don't know what is wrong with this guy. I don't see him being able to step up and start anywhere in the near future.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 26 2007, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He didn't really have that much draft hype the year he came out, NBA exectutives were not all that hot on him, most people thought Portland really reached for him. Most of the hype came from SLAM and from NY. I don't ever see him panning out, he's been in the league three years and has not improved much at all, I don't know what is wrong with this guy. I don't see him being able to step up and start anywhere in the near future.</div>To start off, the main reason Portland reached that high to take him at 13 is because Danny Ainge was very high on him at the time (we had the 15th pick). Portland also had the 21st or 22nd pick, and they planned on taking Telfair there, until they found out how much Ainge liked him, so they took him at 13 to be safe because they really wanted him.Also, I don't expect him to come in and be a legit starter next year either, but he can be an above average backup next year in an up-tempo system, IMO.The main point of starting this thread, aside from the 4-page Telfair thread in the Celtics section, was to see if anybody on BBW would take a flyer on him for their team. I should have specified that, my bad.
I don't know why Denver would want him... if they want an point guard to run an up-tempo offense, just put the ball in AI's hands and run. Plus, in the half court they need a point guard who can set up the offense and hit an open three... and that isn't exactly to Telfair's strengths.I don't know if he'd be a good fit in Orlando either. They got a decent point guard rotation with Nelson (although he has struggled this year) and Arroyo.Minnesota is just desperate to do anything so it looks like they are trying to help KG.I wouldn't mind him in Philly though. He's a big upgrade over Louis Williams, even if Telfair has been a bust. I think Mo Cheeks could possibly keep him in check, and I think he's the ideal fit for a back-up point guard in Philly right now, unless we somehow draft Conley or Acie Law, but I don't see that happening.
Telfair isn't a bust. This kid has talent. It's still too early to tell if the kid will be a bust. Hell, Kwame's been in the NBA since 2001, and people still think he has room to turn it around. Bassy barely got playing time under Doc Rivers, his confidence was crushed, and he just turned out to be way to passive in games. He also took too many perimeter shots where his real skill is getting to the basket.I would love for Bassy to come to DC. Daniels would be the perfect mentor for this kid. After all, he's a big upgrade over Donell Taylor as a 3rd string PG. I also don't think Doc Rivers is a player's coach, while Eddie is. Even if he doesn't come to DC, I still think he'll have a good future in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Apr 26 2007, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Telfair isn't a bust. This kid has talent. It's still too early to tell if the kid will be a bust. Hell, Kwame's been in the NBA since 2001, and people still think he has room to turn it around. Bassy barely got playing time under Doc Rivers, his confidence was crushed, and he just turned out to be way to passive in games. He also took too many perimeter shots where his real skill is getting to the basket.I would love for Bassy to come to DC. Daniels would be the perfect mentor for this kid. After all, he's a big upgrade over Donell Taylor as a 3rd string PG. I also don't think Doc Rivers is a player's coach, while Eddie is. Even if he doesn't come to DC, I still think he'll have a good future in the NBA.</div>A couple things:1. Bassy never took too many jumpers, the problem was that after he lost his confidence/swagger, he started passing up literally 9/10 available shots.2. Doc is a players' coach, he gets by and gets respect from his players because of his charisma and good personality. Doc is a good guy, he has somewhat of a buddy-buddy relationship with about half this team, but his in-game decision making is horrid.3. I don't think Bassy fits in DC. He'd be behind Arenas/Daniels, therefore getting little playing time... therefore killing his confidence even more. Also, Washington really isn't a real run and gun team. Bassy won't succeed unless he truly gets to play in an up-tempo system.
I'd definetley want Bassy if the Pacers hire Mark Iavaroni or Mark Jackson as the head coach. I think either of these guys could run an offense suitable to Bassy and they could both help him learn about decision making. Mark Jackson, of course, was one of the best passing pgs in the 90s and could teach Bassy a thing or two about decision making and playmaking. Plus I'm sure Mark Jackson would be in favor of fast pace basketball. Mark Iavaroni, of course, is a very skilled offensive coach and could probably create the best offense for Bassy than anyone else could. Mark Iavaroni is also a good defensive coach and could probably teach Bassy a thing or two on that side of the floor. I think Bassy would definetley relate to Mark Jackson a lot more, but if either became the coach of the Pacers it would be a good decision for the Pacers to get Bassy.
I would not mind him in Philly.Or send him to Denver Blake might leave, and even if he does not Telfair got talent I still don't see why Boston would let go of that, but w/e.
I don't think this incident was anything to really cut him for. Neither the gun or the car were his, and there was no proof that he was on the way to commit a crime. Besides, if I was an NBA player I would get a gun liscence and carry one around with me. There are some very crazy people out there for sure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Apr 27 2007, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think this incident was anything to really cut him for. Neither the gun or the car were his, and there was no proof that he was on the way to commit a crime. Besides, if I was an NBA player I would get a gun liscence and carry one around with me. There are some very crazy people out there for sure.</div>I would bet my house that Bassy was never going to hurt anybody. I think he has guns on him sometimes because of where he grew up, where you don't really feel safe without some type of protection. So, due to the way he had to grow up, he still feels the need to bring one just in case. That's the way I see it, but he's not a bad guy and he wouldn't hurt anyone.Also, we haven't officially released him yet, nor should we. Like the article says, they expect us to try and get something for him (which seems like a no-brainer, to me). We'd be stupid to just cut him over this, we'll deal him somehow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 27 2007, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would bet my house that Bassy was never going to hurt anybody. I think he has guns on him sometimes because of where he grew up, where you don't really feel safe without some type of protection. So, due to the way he had to grow up, he still feels the need to bring one just in case. That's the way I see it, but he's not a bad guy and he wouldn't hurt anyone.Also, we haven't officially released him yet, nor should we. Like the article says, they expect us to try and get something for him (which seems like a no-brainer, to me). We'd be stupid to just cut him over this, we'll deal him somehow.</div>I agree with the last 2 posts.When you sport player, acting, singing ect............. W/e you need to sometimes have a gun some people are crazy like for real you have lots of money I mean and some people are crazy out there.
I completely agree with you CelticBalla. I don't think Telfair would hurt anybody. Like you said it's just from growing up in NY that he sometimes carries guns, plus the fact that he is a pro athlete. I know that if I was a pro athlete I would carry a gun too.
The Magic would be idiots to grab Telfair. They already have three point guards on their team(Nelson, Arroyo, and Diener), as well as a shooting guard that is supposed to be a point guard(Dooling.) They would just be wasting their money on Telfair. We need to worry about a consistent outside threat to take pressure off of Dwight Howard. Hedo is very erratic, you never know what you might get from him. Grant Hill, if he is still there, has lots a step and sometimes has a harder time scoring. Nelson is the point guard, and can't score all the time. Ariza does not have an outside shot, is mainly just a driver and energy type player. Redick will only be a bench shooter, and not much else. We need an outside threat that is consistent every night. I think we should make a push towards Rashard Lewis in free agency, not waste money on Telfair.
WAY overhyped.still.... I want the kid to succeed.from some cbs article:----Two or three gun incidents in 14 months? That's bad. But you know something? I still can't give up on Telfair. If there's a rational explanation for two or three gun incidents in 14 months, here you go: Something has scared Telfair so badly that he constantly feels the need to arm himself. To me, this is plausible. He has been famous since he was 10. In New York City. The greatest, grossest, happiest, scariest city in the world. Maybe something in his background, something beyond his control, has made him fear for his life. Maybe someday he'll tell us. I hope so, because I believed in Sebastian Telfair. I still do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blazerspwnu @ Apr 28 2007, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe something in his background, something beyond his control, has made him fear for his life. Maybe someday he'll tell us. I hope so, because I believed in Sebastian Telfair. I still do.</div>To me, it's clear why he still feels the need to carry a gun. Look at where he grew up, he grew up in Coney Island where almost every block you see people dealing, stealing, threatening, and killing. Bassy is a good kid and he wouldn't hurt a fly, but he feels the need to carry a gun at times for protection... because that's how he was raised. I know someone like BCB will come in here and be like "oh please.." but it's easier for us fairly wealthy white kids to say that. He came from a terrible environment, no father, no real role models.This doesn't excuse what he did, especially the speeding and driving with an unregistered Florida license at 4 am, but at the same time - I can see why he'd have a gun. After all, he was in New York when this happened. I hope Bassy can go somewhere farther away from New York, because that's where he gets in trouble.. back home with his friends. I don't want to sound stereotypical or racist at all, because I'm neither one, but Bassy only gets in trouble when he's with people from that area... let's face the facts, most of them are "hoodlums." (LMFAO I can't believe I actually just said the word 'hoodlums').
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 28 2007, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know someone like BCB will come in here and be like "oh please.." but it's easier for us fairly wealthy white kids to say that. He came from a terrible environment, no father, no real role models.</div> Coming from where Telfair grew up, I can't blame him. It's stupid, but I can understand it.
