<span style="font-family:Arial">Monta Ellis isn't a bad choice, but Kevin Martin was robbed. Monta Ellis is a sophomore player, he's EXPECTED to improve. I like Ellis, I'm happy he's getting recognition. With that being said, I still feel that Martin deserved the award more.</span>
I think the Warriors making the playoffs had alot to do with Ellis winning the award. Is that right? Maybe not, but I think Monta Ellis deserved it as much as anyone. I think Kevin Martin deserved it more as he had a tremendous turnaround and was the biggest reason the Kings won any games at all, even with Artest. But I don't have a problem with Ellis getting it.
Ellis helped his team reach the playoffs, and played a big role when Jrich was out. Martin on the other hand was not able to help improve the Kings record at all this season.
That is bullsh**. Tell me which is harder...going from 6 to 16 points or 10 to 20? Especially when Monta is only in his 2nd season....Of course he's going to improve...He was a 20 yr old rookie last season....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Apr 26 2007, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">Monta Ellis isn't a bad choice, but Kevin Martin was robbed. Monta Ellis is a sophomore player, he's EXPECTED to improve. .</span></div> I agree....I don't understand why a 21 year old should win 'most improved'.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree....I don't understand why a 21 year old should win 'most improved'.</div>Yeah I agree with you guys, maybe it's because the Warriors are in the playoffs and the Kings aren't? That's the only conclusion I can come up with. Otherwise Martin should have had this locked up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Apr 27 2007, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I agree with you guys, maybe it's because the Warriors are in the playoffs and the Kings aren't? That's the only conclusion I can come up with. Otherwise Martin should have had this locked up.</div>Also that it's a lot more difficult to average a lot of points when you're on a team with four other 15+ ppg scorers than one. That's why he was averaging eighteen prior to the trade and 15 after the trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 27 2007, 06:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is bullsh**. Tell me which is harder...going from 6 to 16 points or 10 to 20? Especially when Monta is only in his 2nd season....Of course he's going to improve...He was a 20 yr old rookie last season....</div>Do you realize that the difference between 6-16 and 10-20 is still 10 for both?
And btw, for what it's worth, 6 points to 16 points is a lot more impressive and unexpected increase than 10 to 20 points. I don't see what everybody's problem is with monta winning it; he improved statistically as much as Martin, and also learned a new position, cut down his turnovers, started not choking in the clutch, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pistol @ Apr 27 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>monta ftw</div><span style="font-family:Arial">Spam ftw.</span>
btw, here's another aspect of the conversation is that Monta has improved defensively too, leading the league in steals+charges taken per game with 2.57.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>btw, here's another aspect of the conversation is that Monta has improved defensively too, leading the league in steals+charges taken per game with 2.57.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Monta Ellis doesn't lead the league in steals.2. Getting steals doesn't make you a good defensive player, we have been through this before.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Apr 27 2007, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Monta Ellis doesn't lead the league in steals.2. Getting steals doesn't make you a good defensive player, we have been through this before.</span></div>1. I said steals plus charges taken.2. On the Warriors stealing is their defense. Trust me. The Warriors' sole defensive strategy is double teaming and steals. Of course stealing is not all defense is, but it definitely helped. Overall, Monta improved more at every facet of the game. I don't see why this is causing such outrage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 27 2007, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. I said steals plus charges taken.2. On the Warriors stealing is their defense. Trust me. The Warriors' sole defensive strategy is double teaming and steals. Of course stealing is not all defense is, but it definitely helped. Overall, Monta improved more at every facet of the game. I don't see why this is causing such outrage.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">The way you worded your post, it sounded like you were saying he leads the league in steals AND charges taken.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Apr 27 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">The way you worded your post, it sounded like you were saying he leads the league in steals AND charges taken.</span></div>my bad.That doesn't change the fact that he's improved his scoring and defense more than Kevin Martin. Where else has either improved substantially that would tip the scales?
