OT Question for all you Punish the Russian heros.

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  1. H.C.

    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    How dare someone say fuck constitution.
    Mistake or not that's how this country was founded.
    This man needs to get out as he's not a real american.
    This is worse than anything anyone has ever done on this forum. Hell it's worse than any evil that's ever been done.
    If you don't hold the constitution in high regard, you need to get out.
    How dare you say fuck constitution.
    This man needs to be banned and thrown in jail.
     
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    calvin natt Confeve

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    Who said this I missed it and am too lazy to go back and read previous pages
     
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  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    lol, now that's some serious bullshit.
     
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  7. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    We sent my cousin to Iraq for literally no good reason. No actionable intelligence at all. Putin "annexes" a sovereign nation and we stand on the sidelines doing nothing.

    Not only that, we side with Them....

    RUSSIA no less...

    Y'all conservatives are KILLING ME...
     
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  9. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I am disgusted by all of the wars we've been in for NOTHING during my lifetime.

    I've been consistent. Search for John Bolton under my username and get back to me.
     
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  10. Cippy91

    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    I just find it funny how much some of you believe in the FBI and the CIA, NSA. Do I need to go over some of their history?

    the NSA and how they collected peoples data for years and years and it took a whistleblower by the name of Snowden to make people realize. Spying on the American people. Breaking all sorts of laws, abusing it. What about the CIA and their corrupt history?
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-cia-did-in-our-names-because-freedom-203648/
    1) From the beginning, CIA lawyers dreamed up a novel defense for torturing people.

    On November 26, 2001, the CIA’s Office of General Counsel proposed a legal workaround to get away with “torture”. Note that the Orwellian term “enhanced interrogation” was not deployed in these early days to varnish the reality of the acts anticipated. (Italics original. Boldface added.)





    t would, therefore, be a novel application of the necessity defense to avoid prosecution of U.S. officials who tortured to obtain information that saved many lives… A policy decision must be made with regard to U.S. use of torture in light of our obligations under international law, with consideration given to the circumstances and to international opinion on our current campaign against terrorism—states may be very unwilling to call the U.S. to task for torture when it resulted in saving thousands of lives.[Executive Summary: Page 179]

    2) The CIA ran a “dungeon” called COBALT.

    It was overseen by a rookie. And the agency’s chief of interrogations thought it was just aces.

    “Conditions at CIA detention sites were poor, and were especially bleak early in the program. CIA detainees at the COBALT detention facility were kept in complete darkness and constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for human waste.” [Findings and Conclusions: Page 4]

    The CIA placed a junior officer with no relevant experience in charge of COBALT.” [Findings and Conclusions: Page 10]

    “The chief of interrogations, told the CIA OIG that ‘[DETENTION SITE COBALT] is good for interrogations because it is the closest thing he has seen to a dungeon.'” [Executive Summary: Page 50]
    3) The conditions at COBALT were medieval and deadly.

    “On November XX, 2002, a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor died from suspected hypothermia at the facility.” [Findings and Conclusions: Page 10]





    Rahman was wearing only a sweatshirt, as [CIA OFFICER 1] had ordered that Rahman’s clothing be removed when he had been judged to be uncooperative during an earlier interrogation. The next day, the guards found Gul Rahman’s dead body.” [Executive Summary: Page 54]


    4) Many of the CIA’s interrogators were known sadists.

    “This group of officers included individuals who, among other issues, had engaged in inappropriate detainee interrogations, had workplace anger management issues, and had reportedly admitted to sexual assault.” [Executive Summary: Page 50]

    5) CIA interrogators threatened to rape or kill the detainees’ mothers and to harm their children.

    “CIA officers also threatened at least three detainees with harm to their families – to include threats to harm the children of a detainee, threats to sexually abuse the mother of a detainee, and a threat to ‘cut [a detainee’s] mother’s throat.'” [Findings and Conclusions: Page 4]

    6) The CIA intended to permanently disappear a detainee named Abu Zubaydah.

    “The CIA lacked a plan for the eventual disposition of its detainees. After taking custody of Abu Zubaydah, CIA officers concluded that he ‘should remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life.'” [Findings and Conclusions: Page 9]

    7) Zubaydah was nearly drowned on the waterboard, revived only with the Heimlich maneuver.

    “During a waterboard session, Abu Zubaydah “became completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth.” He remained unresponsive after the waterboard was rotated upwards and only regained consciousness aifter receiving a “xyphoid thrust.” [Executive Summary: Page 495]

    8) The CIA sexually assaulted detainees with brutal “rectal exams.”

    “CIA leadership… was also alerted to allegations that rectal exams were conducted with “excessive force” on two detainees at DETENTION SITE COBALT…. CIA records indicate that one of the detainees, Mustafa al-Hawsawi, was later diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, an anal fissure, and symptomaticrectal prolapse.” [Executive Summary: Page 100]


    9) Detainees, including alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, were subject to, and threatened with, medically unnecessary “rectal rehydration.”

    “Chief of Interrogations| [REDACTED] also ordered the rectal rehydration of KSM without a determination of medical need, a procedure that the chief of interrogations would later characterize as illustrative of the interrogator’s ‘total control over the detainee.'” [Executive Summary: Page 82]

    “On March 5, 2003, KSM was also subjected to additional rectal rehydration, which [REDACTED] described as … effective in getting KSM to talk.” [Executive Summary: Page 83]

    “CIA medical officers discussed rectal rehydration as a means of behavior control.” [Executive Summary: Page 100]

    “The officer wrote that, ‘[W]hat I infer is that you get a tube up as far as you can, then open the IV wide.'” [Ibid]

    10) CIA torture produced a bounty of fabrications – rather than useful intelligence.

    “Throughout the period during which KSM was subjected to the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques, KSM provided inaccurate information, much of which he would later acknowledge was fabricated and recant… In June 2003, KSM stated he fabricated the story because he was ‘under “enhanced measures” when he made these claims and simply told his interrogators what he thought they wanted to hear.'” [Executive Summary: Page 213-214]



    What about the FBI?

    Oh nothing, these guys just did shit like send letters to MLK demanding he kill himself. They actively tried to destroy the civil rights movement, made deals with gangsters and killers and worked with them, etc. Yet when it comes to this everybody is screaming "omg we must believe them", I mean okay. I still don't think they messed with the elections, it literally makes no sense. That's beside the point. The point is, it's just kinda funny and hypocritical, this belief system in these agencies after their massively corrupt past and present. Come on
     
  11. Cippy91

    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    Lets do WW3 then and when it goes down, I would like to see the response from that. War is pointless, war is stupid. But hey if that's what you want...
     
  12. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Didn't you know that we're the good guys when it comes to world affairs and bad guys domestically?
     
  13. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Apparently we were supposed to send in drones to Russia and kill Russian civilians like we do in Irag/Afghanistan.

    I wonder if Putin would blow up Humvees with IEDs?

    Oh that's right...there's probably 4000 nuclear missiles aimed at us right now.
     
  14. riverman

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    who are you talking about...you? Lanny is a hell of a good guy...so is Sly...you need some kind of group to identify with? I identify as your standard meat popsicle...humanoid...
     
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    now you're just babblin'
     
  16. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Just give us an educated guess as to what Dviss wants us to do about Russia annexing anything that ain't on American soil. Talk about babbling.

    All I hear is BITCHING with no solutions.
     
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    dviss can speak for himself but dude...you're babblin'....lot of what if shit that really is not related. We have bases all over there...Trump just sent troops to the border of Poland a while back...we have soldiers on the southern pipeline from Azerbijian to Turkey....Russia has troops on the north....if you think we're not involved..you've not paid attention....Russia now has a naval presence never allowed before as well...it's an arms race and we're part of it...when serious shit doesn't get solved...people bitch...you solve problems by voting for problem solvers...sad...fail...we got a marshmellow instead
     
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    Pre Trump and post Trump it doesn't matter. Politicians and these agencies have always been corrupt doing shitty things but for whatever reason people trust them
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Yep. Super sickening. I plan to not pay much attention going forward. Mutually Assured Destruction.
     
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    you totally missed out on the 60s.....people haven't trusted them since Ike was president in the 50s....the age of optimism. there's never really been trust in govt. People have views about world affairs....others like you seem to have views about people having views.
     

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