<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 29 2007, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not the Suns system, he did well in the days when we weren't running as much, BUT you will be very, very disappointed if you think that Marion can be a franchise player for you. He's a glorified role player. What franchise player can't create for himself, besides a few scores, can't handle the ball, can't really shoot well and is not really that smart. He has some great skills, but he's a role player, no better than a 3rd option.</div>I swear to god I've never known a fan put down his team so much.Marion could easily be a number 1 on most teams. He still gets the points he does in spite of the fact that plays are not usually made for him, he has to get his points the hard way. When he is used as the main guy he would be a 22/12 guy with the steals and blocks to boot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Apr 29 2007, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jazz trade:Andrei kirilenko, Gordon Giricek, First round pickBlazers tradeFirst round pick, Jamal Maglore.Why the Jazz do this. They get rid of Kirilenkos contract, and get a better back up than jarron Collins in Maglore. plus they use Portlands early pick to draft Roy HibbartWhy the Blazers do this.They get rid of Maglore, plus they add two veterens who would fit with their young team and help them mature. they don't really need any more young players either.</div>Is Kirilenko honestly that bad? I think he just had an off year. I know I wouldn't make that trade unless I was in Portland's position.Jarrett JackBrandon RoyAndrei KirilenkoZack RandolphLaMarcus Aldridge=PlayoffsI don't think Hibbert will be as good of an NBA player as most people do on this board. He will struggle to adapt to a game with players of his height.
I think it's crazy to say that Marion can be a #1 guy. I'm just being realistic. I laugh when he complains about not getting enough attention and then goes into the playoffs and his numbers go down. #1 guys do better in the playoffs and Marion just sometimes disappears even as a #3 guy. If he was the #1 and people actually game planned to stop him he wouldn't do a thing. He gets most points on lobs and passes near the basket and he sometimes misses those easy ones too. He only drives to the basket or creates space for his own shot for about 4 points a game. If Marion is the #1 guy, without a Jason Kidd, Steve Nash or Marbury(who had his best season with us) his FG% will be below 40 and his 3-point shooting below 30%. Marion's game is overrated by a lot of fans. He's important to this team and we need him to be close to as good as we are, but he is far from being a #1 option for a team. Like I said, name me one first option on a team that doesn't really create for himself, can't lead, is a terrible ball handler, can't shoot and disappears during half the playoffs? And he's not a leader. He seems to just care more about what people think about him than anything.He's Tayshaun Prince with better leaping ability, but worse at dribbling/passing. Is Prince a #1 guy?I don't feel that I put the team down at all. I say that they have a great chance at a championship, I haven't given up on Diaw, I stuck with Banks even with how bad he played until he was benched permanently, and I stuck with Jones and still believe he could be good for us...I just don't think Marion is as good as he thinks he is. He doesn't realize how good he has it here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Apr 29 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Kirilenko honestly that bad? I think he just had an off year. I know I wouldn't make that trade unless I was in Portland's position.Jarrett JackBrandon RoyAndrei KirilenkoZack RandolphLaMarcus Aldridge=PlayoffsI don't think Hibbert will be as good of an NBA player as most people do on this board. He will struggle to adapt to a game with players of his height.</div>Kirilenko is stinking it up real bad, and I think the Jazz are going to deal him in the off season. the Jazz want to clear some cap to re-sign Williams, Millsap, and likely Brewer. plus it's not like they can't win without him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Apr 29 2007, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's crazy to say that Marion can be a #1 guy. I'm just being realistic. I laugh when he complains about not getting enough attention and then goes into the playoffs and his numbers go down. #1 guys do better in the playoffs and Marion just sometimes disappears even as a #3 guy. If he was the #1 and people actually game planned to stop him he wouldn't do a thing. He gets most points on lobs and passes near the basket and he sometimes misses those easy ones too. He only drives to the basket or creates space for his own shot for about 4 points a game. If Marion is the #1 guy, without a Jason Kidd, Steve Nash or Marbury(who had his best season with us) his FG% will be below 40 and his 3-point shooting below 30%. Marion's game is overrated by a lot of fans. He's important to this team and we need him to be close to as good as we are, but he is far from being a #1 option for a team. Like I said, name me one first option on a team that doesn't really create for himself, can't lead, is a terrible ball handler, can't shoot and disappears during half the playoffs? And he's not a leader. He seems to just care more about what people think about him than anything.He's Tayshaun Prince with better leaping ability, but worse at dribbling/passing. Is Prince a #1 guy?I don't feel that I put the team down at all. I say that they have a great chance at a championship, I haven't given up on Diaw, I stuck with Banks even with how bad he played until he was benched permanently...I just don't think Marion is as good as he thinks he is. He doesn't realize how good he has it here.</div>You really don't get what I'm saying do you? Rigth now he doesn't need to go looking for shots for himself, but when he is needed to be the top scorer he does it, when he is needed to be the top defender he does it. When used as the number 1 option (even when Phoenix has other scoring options as well) he is over 21ppg. If he was to be on a team when there were not many other options I could see him getting 23/24ppg if needed. You can't say he can't lead, the man leads by example every game. He has never really been given the oportunity to lead a team by himself.I have seen countless times that you put the Suns and their players down, or don't show faith. You can call it realistic, I'll call it being a weak fan. I don't care if a player is terrible if he plays for my team he is one the best in the NBA! Maybe its your age, maybe you need to go through a few more years supporting teams through the good and bad times.
Through good and bad times...I'm a friggin' Cardinals fan and I watch every game that's on TV, that's brutal and I've been a fan of there's for 8 years...I've watched over 115 D-Backs games a year during the bad times. I'm an ASU sports fan! You don't have to be a homer to be a strong fan. I have plenty of faith in the team. Last year I still believed we could beat the Lakers. It has nothing to do with age either. It's usually the younger fans that are the homers and the older fans who have experienced more that are the realists. I formed my opinion actually by talking to older and smarter fans than myself. I'm not a weak fan, I'm not a homer and I'm not delusional. I say it how it is. I don't like people who make homerish comments so I don't like to do it either. I know Marion is very important for the team, but isn't good enough to be a #1 guy. He has never shown he could create for himself even close to what other #1 guys do. Leading by what example? By complaining to the media every single year about his personal accomplishments? Yeah, that's a great example to set for younger guys.I love Marion. I love having him on this team and wouldn't trade him for anyone except for KG. He's a hard worker and extremely important to this teams success, but he is only a role player with freakish athletic ability. You still haven't named me one #1 option that lacks all the skills that Marion lacks. I have never seen a #1 guy fold in the playoffs like Marion has done against strong opponents. I would laugh if he leaves this team to try and do that. It would be worse than Joe Johnson doing it.Marion scores so much because he has had a great point guard every year in his career. Somebody put out a stat last year that showed that 70 something % of his points are assisted. He can play defense and get rebounds and that makes him very valuable for us but he would fail if he was the #1 when teams can already stop him as the #3. He is always shut down by the Spurs and in other playoff series he usually puts up less points than his average against most other good teams. His great defense was also abused by Odom and Josh Howard.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...~16~16~11~21~21I dunno, what do you guys think about this trade?
LOL, Pacers get a great deal in that, but there's no way in hell I'd get rid of Marion and James Jones for Odom and Vlad Rad. Marion is a perfect player for this team when he's not complaining. He does so much for us that, like I said, I wouldn't package him in a deal for any big that would be available besides KG. James Jones is much better on D than Vlad and just as good of a scorer. We couldn't afford a hit like that on our defense.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...~16~13~18~11~16This might be a great trade if some draft picks were added in for Minnesota.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 1 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...~16~13~18~11~16This might be a great trade if some draft picks were added in for Minnesota.</div>Minny can get more then Odom/Lee/pick they should do the trade with the Bulls. They got so much young talent it's crazy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 4 2007, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...~11~21~11~11~21 </div>Still no. LA is giving up too much for Jermaine and the objective for Phoenix, if they were to trade Marion, would be to relieve salary... not take on two big deals. The Knicks and Pacers say "hell yeah" though.
Dude your dumb. Lakers get screwed over. I'll make a trade.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...ams=16~16~16~14And then the Heat can sign Telfair to MLE.Minnesota Lineup:Jason Williams / Mike James / Troy HudsonRandy Foye / Rashad McCants / Marko JaricRicky Davis / Antoine Walker / Trenton HassellUdonis Haslem / Craig Smith / Nick Fazekas?Roy Hibbert? / Mark Blount / Mark Madsen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ May 5 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude your dumb. Lakers get screwed over. I'll make a trade.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...ams=16~16~16~14And then the Heat can sign Telfair to MLE.Minnesota Lineup:Jason Williams / Mike James / Troy HudsonRandy Foye / Rashad McCants / Marko JaricRicky Davis / Antoine Walker / Trenton HassellUdonis Haslem / Craig Smith / Nick Fazekas?Roy Hibbert? / Mark Blount / Mark Madsen</div>That's even worse. What the f*Ck would Minny want any of those players for?
