Politics Trump: Treasonous Traitor and....Impeachment?

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  1. MarAzul

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    The independence or not of the people of Taiwan has no logical comparison to the wishes of the people in the Crimea. If anything it is the opposite. Do a little checking with people that know, you may find there has been a correction without US interference. Perhaps Obama stumbled onto the correct actions, despite the teeth gnashing
    of his loyalist.

    I find it sort of funny the way you speak of the people of Taiwan, as if they were one. They are not, and the native peoples of that island sure did not want all those Chinese that came to their island. For that matter, they were pretty damn pissed at us Americans for helping them overwhelm their island. If a vote were held in those days, residents only voting, the Americans and the Chinese would have been both voted off the island.
    Carter returning the island to Mao's gang was complete disconnect with anyone on the island. But it might be similar to another Democrat President forcing the Crimean people back under the rule of the Ukrainians, if we are ever so unfortunate to be in a position to perform the fuck up.
     
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    Oh, man...can you imagine that today!! If you thought the Florida chad gate was a big deal...
     
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    Yes, allowing this to go down will be and error. Wait until they begin to enforce a 200 mile economic exclusion zone around the island. That will mess with about 5 different countries locally and inhibit trade routes of many more.
     
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    I know more about Taiwan and the Taiwanese....than you'll ever know....don't be ignorant...the Taiwanese have been there for hundreds of years...there are 18 aboriginal tribes with Portuguese, Polynesian and Dutch blood...the Japanese were there for 75 years...the mainland Chinese nationalists are only a portion of the population that over generations has intermarried and become the modern Taiwanese...the Haka people as well..they look down on Chiang Kai Shek there in modern history....as to loyalists from the former Soviet Union.....that's exactly like the orange and green in Ireland....do your homework and get back to me.....I even speak their language...my wife speaks 3 of the Taiwanese languages...you should listen to those with direct experience and not project nonsense Marz…..my Taiwanese in laws would laugh you out of the room with these ridiculous comments...Carter never returned any Taiwanese to Mao.....jesus...read about the KMT and DPP.....there are two political powers in Taiwan....the DPP has elected 3 of the last 4 presidents....you're talkin' out your ass dude..the Paiwan tribe is the original Maoris that sailed to New Zealand....many are my friends...Chiang Kai Shek killed the local leaders and grabbed all the real estate
     
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    You are building a strawman. No one is suggesting using military force here.

    But there is a difference between saying 'we disapprove, we will impose sanctions but we are not going to war over it' and saying 'hey, do whatever you like, we don't really care'. The former is normal America foreign policy, the latter is idiocy which will encourage additional bad behavior.

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    So I take it that you are not a fan of the past administration?
     
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    Ha! I only gave you first hand experience. Of how it was long before you showed up and all was secure.
     
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    Not sure what you mean by that. The past administration imposed sanctions on Russia. This one is trying to remove them.

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    I did not see you make any of these request of the previous President.
    I heard no one call him a traitor for not demanding Putin force the Crimean people back under the thumb of the Ukrainians
     
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    what the fuck are you even talking about? you must literally have no respect for the people of that region....we didn't force anyone to do shit over there
     
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    sure on his way out the door...how did that middle east thing work out...you know the plane load of money..or his dealings with rocket man...oh, wait...come on..not gonna get in the weeds on this, you have to admit that he was far more focused on domestic matters, and feckless else where
     
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    Chiang Kai Shek is a chapter in Taiwanese history....you were there to watch the Nationalists conquer the island....they've since thrown that shit out the door...even threw away those history books and printed the real ones....and as a sailor...americans were treated really well by the locals....still are...they are no longer Chinese Taipei.....they are now Taiwan..my wife's people have been on that island for 500 years
     
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    As it should be.
     
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    ...
     
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    Geez river, you really have a problem learning. Well, I guess there is nothing left but, carry on!
     
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    No. You are confusing the sanctions for the election hacking with the sanctions for Crimea.

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    Worked fine until Trump killed it - all parties agreed that Iran was complying with the agreement - we'll see how no plan at all works now.

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    you need to learn my friend...you have one talking point...and it always ends with this post
     
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    yeah...I was not his political advisor..
     
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    you know the difference between Formosa and Taiwan..?...nah...didn't think so
     
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