I have to say, that's a decent argument. Maybe a lot of that is because of familiarity? Does it really mean he wouldn't move one of them if he thought it would improve the team? For example: Wasn't Ed Davis one of 'his guys' since Olshey is the one who brought him in? I can't believe Olshey wouldn't jump at the chance to get rid of Turner's contract if it would simultaneously improve the team; but that he won't if, in his estimation, it would make the team less competitive.
This could indeed be the holdup. Even if he would trade him to Portland, it would take CJ plus Turner or Aminu to give him back the defender he'd want.
Yes he did, but to suggest that Neil doesn't hold bias for some players is just not true. How many times has he tried to acquire Deandre?
Who knows. Once? He didn't draft Jordan though. It just seems a convenient excuse for people to make, that doesn't hold a ton of truth, IMO. Aminu is one of his guys, but he traded him when he had the chance, instead of holding him like many insist he's doing with anyone he picked here.
I think a lot of that does get fixed by those moves, but I still see two problems that to me were the biggest: 1) Guard defense: Holiday lit us up. He is good, but not that good. We had nobody that could defend him. WB4 might have helped if he could get minutes, but I think we need a starting guard who could have slowed him down. No way Holiday scores like that if Butler is guarding him. 2) 2nd option to bust pressure. They went after Dame hard and CJ wasn't enough of a relief valve. I think having someone really aggressive like Butler would have helped there too.
Lol let’s be real. There is no hold up. Olshey isn’t pursuing any real trade like that. He’s probably already on vacation. Look at it like this: why take ANY risks if you don’t have to? His job is safe.
Yeah, Olshey never trades his draft picks and doesn't make risky moves--instead playing it safe. I'm not saying that was a good move, but it certainly wasn't playing it safe or holding on to a player he drafted.
You had to go back three years, kind of helping my point. And those were all bench players as well. Neil’s riskiest move was probably trading Batum, but to this day I still don’t understand why it was made. I could at least understand the Afflalo trade.
I thought Batum was because they knew he would get offers for big money and they wanted to get something for him rather than overpay him through what was supposed to be a rebuild. Not many GMs trade away players they drafted every season. My point is that I don't think NO is opposed to making such trades, he is just selective when he does it.
I wouldn't classify the Afflalo trade as "risky" in any sense of the word. Barton hadn't really shown all that much, other than some reckless highlights, and the other players we sent out were confirmed garbage. Absolutely NO risk in trading that mess for a proven NBA player. I just thought we targeted the wrong Nugget - should have gotten Chandler instead of Afflalo.
Oh yeah, nevermind, that was another financial decision then. One day we’ll get a pure basketball move again. One day.
@yuyuza1 @Scalma there is interest in Butler but it seems like Neil is trying to do it while keeping CJ and I just don't see MIN going for that. I appreciate trying to get JB on the cheap but at some point you have to give to get...and personally, I think it is worth the risk of a rental. @blue9 ...there probably is some issue with trading within the division. But unless Boston comes rolling in with players/picks, I'm not sure where MIN gets more production than what CJ could bring. And without Dame in the backcourt, I can see CJ going in to the mid-20s in terms of scoring.
I don’t see any downside in trading CJ for Butler. It’s an upgrade for next season, and if you can’t sell him on staying, then it becomes a salary dump (or maybe even a sign and trade) and you start a reboot. Neil needs to stop treating CJ like he’s an all star. It’s ridiculous.
Makes sense to exhaust that option first. Adding Butler to Dame and CJ gives us a really good starting lineup in Dame/CJ/Butler/Aminu/Nurk. I think you can compete for the 2 seed with that lineup, personally. Swapping out CJ for Butler overall makes us a better team most likely, but I don't think it necessarily elevates us the same way. I still likely make that swap, but doing it without CJ would be awesome
Collins Harkless Turner Pick 4 Butler Dieng Let’s gooo. It’s depressing to think about how we probably spend more time talking trades than the actual GM.
I would hopeso. some trades discussed here dont work under the CBA or are too outlandish. I dont want the GM spinning his wheels on stuff that cant happen.
