Notice LONGTIME NBA ANALYST (MARK STEIN) PREDICTS BLAZERS WILL TRADE MCCOLLUM

He missed a small amount of time to a rib injury. That's not something that's reoccurring, and Memphis likely used it as an excuse to sit him so that they could tank. It's disingenuous to say "he only played 54 games last year" when talking about him being injury prone.

 

Dumbest front office decision of the entire season last year was Memphis not trading him at the deadline.

 

Could've at least traded their 2nd. I bet Portland would've traded their 1st (24th Pick) for Tyreke and Memphis' 2nd (32nd Pick).

 

Yeah or trade him for a young guy that had a chance to make your roster this year. Look at all the young players that got traded this summer on rookie deals for cash/nothing or all the restricted free agents they could've kept for cheap if they showed them anything (heck why not take Napier back?).

 

Jeezus christ. You asked one way C.J. was better than Tyreke and I gave you one - staying healthy. And, in spite if indisputable, irrefutable proof, you continue to argue about it. Even if we agree to pretend he didn't miss a single injury due to injury last season, Tyreke Evans missed 42 and 57 games due to injury the previous two seasons. C.J. missed total of 4 games to Tyreke's 99. So yes, C.J. is better at staying healthy than Tyreke.

You say he's only had two seasons with major injuries. Big deal, it's been two of the last three seasons. As players age, they tend to be more susceptible to injury and take longer to recover. Regardless of what happened prior in his career, the fact that Tyreke has had major injuries two of the last three seasons is not a good tend.

And no, I did not "start this debate". I answered your question and you are the one that chose to turn it into a "debate". The fact remains, C.J., is better at staying healthy than Tyreke. Given the evidence, I don't even know how you managed to turn a simple fact into a multi-response "debate", but you did.

BNM

 

Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it.

 

If Tyreke gets hurt for half the year was he right?
It’s really hard to gauge when a guy is prone to injuries or not, but the fact Tyreke is older And has missed time the last few years sometimes because of injuries (sometimes not), is something to be concerned with. Not that it makes him worthless because he’s still a solid player.

 

I am not implying anything. I am clearly stating EXACTLY what I mean. You said name one thing C.J. is better at that Tyreke Evans. I said staying healthy. That is not false. You are not "correcting" anything. It is 100% accurate and true. How many major injuries has C.J. had in the last three years? ZERO. How many major injuries has Tyreke Evans had in the last three years? TWO (plus several minor injuries).

TWO > ZERO.

Evans had three knee surgeries during the 2015-16 season alone. He was unable to play for 11 months. C.J. has has zero surgeries of any kind during the last 3 years.

How can you possibly say may statement that C.J. has stayed healthier than Tyreke is false?

BNM

 

CJ had that foot injury so 2 > 1? Haha.

I already said I wasn't saying that statement was false. I guess you didn't see that either.

 

Tyreke Evans has a history of knee problems in both knees going back over 5 years. After his 3rd knee surgery in 9 months, the New Orleans trainer released the following statement:

"Brooks said Evans has a history of bilateral knee cartilage wear and trace of fusion on both knees that dates back to before the 2013 sign-and-trade that brought him to New Orleans."

I'd say a five year history of knee problems that has led to multiple surgeries meets the definition of injury prone.

BNM

 

C.J.'s last significant injury was 5 years ago. Tyreke has had multiple knee surgeries for separate injuries within the last three years.

You said specifically in the post I quoted: "Youre implying Tyreke can't stay on the court and is injury prone. A lot of people have that narrative about him, and it's false. Just correcting it."

You are not correcting anything.

Three knee surgeries, for separate injuries within a 9 month span, meets all reasonable definitions of injury prone. A five year history of knee problems is a huge red flag.

C.J. was injured prior to the start of his rookie season and has been healthy since. Big difference, and that was my point. C.J, has managed to stay healthy. Tyreke has not.

Again, games played over the past three seasons:

Tyreke 25, 40, 54
C.J. 80, 80, 81

Yeah Tyreke missed some games last season for personal reasons, but all of the games he missed in 2015-16, most of the games he missed in 2016-17, and at least 10 of the games he missed in 2017-18 were all due to injury. That's 109 games missed due to injury vs. 3. So yeah, C.J. is better than Tyreke at staying healthy. Your position is absurd, and the fact you can't seem to admit it is even more absurd.

BNM

 

The bold part is 100% false. Read what the NOP trainer said about Tyreke's knees after three knee surgeries in 9 months. He has chronic knee issues. They are only going to get worse.

How can you possibly say a guy who has only played 25, 40 and 54 games over the last three seasons doesn't have durability issues?

Look, we get it. You like Tyreke and he's your latest man crush. I guess what they say is true, love really is blind.

BNM

 

According to Pritchard, once you hear about a rumor it's already dead.

 

Don't degrade your own posts.

Glad you actually read it before forming an opinion though.

 

@BonesJones
I don’t want to make this weirdly personal, but I guess what’s kind of throwing me is I have never once heard someone imply that Tyreke Evans is a better player than CJ. - Maybe I’m wrong here but that seems to be what you’re saying -
A.) I’m not so sure I agree.
B) I realize you and a few others spend much more time on the numbers then I do (not that I’m completely ignorant), but I just don’t see it. He’s never really been a winner in the NBA.
C) I’m not sure Tyreke is a better fit with the Blazers than CJ is, but he might be.
D)Tyreke does have some concerns with durability.
Not sure why I did the ABC’s but I’m having a hard time mentally jumping that Tyreke is better than CJ hurdle.

 

People put to much emphasis on "so and so hasn't won much".. teams win, teams lose. I dont think he should be blamed for being in bad situations. He's helped his teams when he's seen the court.

Maybe Tyreke gets injured, but I think it's a realistic possibility he remains healthy. Maybe he regressed from last year, but I think it's a realistic possibility he doesnt. If he maintains that level of play and stays healthy, he's probably a better player (if you want my statistical observations as to why I think that, let me know). Not only is he a better player, but he's a cheaper player and a better fit.

I shouldn't say he is better, since that opinion would be just based off his production last year (which was better), and based off caveots, but I think that the price tag makes the gamble a better one.

 

I think CJ’s a much more explosive scorer, and I admit that may be his only skill (right now) better than Evans, but in theory he still has a year or two where he could get better at some of the things he’s not as proficient at, Evans is more than likely on the down swing of his career even if he stays healthy.
When I get home I can go do some research and check out the stats (I’m not that lazy) .

I think winning is important and yes you can get caught up in judging guys who were just in bad situations (he played in freaking Sacramento), but’s it’s significant to do more than just get good stats too.

 

Do you mean explosive as he can go for 40 and when he's hot he's dynamite? I agree with that. However, if you say that then you have to say that Tyreke is a more consistent scorer. Believe it or not, but Tyreke scored at a higher and more efficient clip than C.J. did last year. I'll throw in their scoring stats just because I'm on a laptop now:

Last Season (Per 36):
T.E. - 22.6pts, 48.2% (2pt), 39.9% (3pt)
C.J. - 21.3pts, 46.5% (2pt), 39.7% (3pt)

Tyreke also had 6.0 assists per 36 (compared to only 3.3 for McCollum).
Tyreke had 5.9 rebounds per 36 (compared to only 4.0 for McCollum).
Tyreke is a better defender than McCollum.

All this summed up in 2017-2018 BPM:
T.E. - 3.6BPM
C.J. - 0.4BPM

 

Tyreke is a nice player, but in no way would I trade CJ for him. And he IS, injury prone.