Game Thread Yankees vs. Red Sox Friday 8/3/18, 7:10 pm

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...wow, once again you completely miss the obvious point...I asked you a very simple yes or no question, but I'll try again;


    ..."so you don't think the GM and the Manager should be held accountable for a team's performance ?"
     
  2. BigDaddyAl1973

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    You sound like George Steinbrenner by calling out a manager and gm only when teams lose, especially of late.

    Other than verlander..what pitcher did you want to trade for and what would think the fair yankee value would have been to give up?

    Sonny gray was a bad move. Ill admit to it but it was something that had to be done. His yankee performance is not on par with his track record. You want to kill cashman...fine..hindsight monday night qbing at its finest.

    Could they have made the sale trade a couple of years ago...maybe..but their goal was to get under the luxruy tax lets not forget that as well.

    Garret Cole...well there were some who worried that he was tracking in the wrong direction...

    Chance Adams...his AAA numbers were/are not dominating. We want to rush a guy up to the majors because he excelled theough lower level minor leagues...and then what happens when he becomes as inconsistent as germain?

    Sheffield name has been mentioned...again same as above.

    So starting pitching is a problem. Yet imo there are/were no clear cut alternatives that the Yankees this year could have done without putting them over the luxury tax or giving up the farm.

    Last year the team overachieved to win 91 games and have a 561 winning %...

    Last year....Sanchez 278 with 120 strike outs (22.8%) and .531 slugging..this year 67 strikeouts in about half the at bats so relatively the same 24% strike out rate. Boone could be at fault for his slide this year but there were most definite issues with attitude with this guy in the past. Options ....sit him doesnt do shit IMO because the talent level between him and Romaine is so clear cut it would only hurt the team.

    1st base...well last year it was Cris Carter...a big time reach in the hopes that Greg Bird would be the everyday first baseman....again...here the options were limited given that expectations were on a rookie with a very controllable salary coming up to take the position. Numbers wise Bird's numbers are better this year (dont laugh) average, on base and slugging, than last year. Both seasons marked with injuries.

    2nd base.. Castro...well we traded Castro and his 300 batting average and 454 slugging to get the NL MVP (this year his numbers are 287/333/401 but playing in a far less superior team). Yes a salary dump by the Marlins so lets kill Cashman for actually improving the roster as his numbers are a hell of a lot better than Matt Holliday and Jacoby Ellsbury. BTW...the rookie second baseman i think its fair to say is having a pretty decent season wouldnt you say. No credit to either the manager or the GM because after all it was a given that he would become a terrific player and the Cubs were desperate to get rid of such a player for Chapman.

    SS... Didi.. last year didi was at 287/318/478 ...this year 268/328/484..fair to say similar numbers right?

    third base... last year was the famed whipping boy of Chase Headley 273/352/406 another (failure??) by cashman when he gave up Jose Rafael De Paula and Yangervis Solarte ....not sure how people feel about WAR as a true stat or not but while Headley was a Yankee his WAR was 7.5 so doesnt that mean Headley was above average at his position...you want to say the salary was abusred yes..and I would agree to that he was way overpaid. This year..do I have to say what the current third baseman is doing? Or the salary he is on?

    So here we have the infield...a very disappointing Sanchez ...and the rest better than last year.

    Outfield...

    Brett Gardner.. 264/350/428 ..now gardy 247/341/383..he is on the downside of his career but is on par with his career average numbers of 262/346/392 was anyone expecting more out of him?

    Aaron Hicks 266/372/475 67ks vs 252/362/489 73ks similar numbers...striking out more frequent this year...but at the age of 28 we really going to blame the manager for him striking out more...is there a feeling among Yankee fans that Boone says to these guys swing at anything? We do know that, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-change/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f85d340fcbfd , this is a MLB issue and not just a Yankee issue right? So all managers and GMs are to be blamed.

    All Rise... a home grown Yankee... a actual 1st round draft pick by the current GM... no one expected what he did last yar.. 284/422/627 with 208 strikeouts we all remember the strikeouts right... we all remember that the second half of last year (when MLB had more opportunities to see him) his numbers declined ...228/391/548 and that is with a huge Sept 311/463/889. This year..285/398/548 and 137 strikeouts not news to anyone that his strikezone is very questionable with a lot of ks we all feel are bullshit. Now I think its fair to say that any team outside of perhaps Boston and LAA would say he is one of the best outfielders in todays game.

    DH...anyone miss Matt Holiday? Jacoby Ellsbury....Stanton last year with Miami .. 281/376/631 163k ... vs 277/340/508 143k do we expect more..yes...but last year Stanton's second half was better than his first...277/360/572 vs 287/393/702 I think the jury is still out on whether or not this year is as a complete failure for him as some here moan and groan about. again what other team (salary aside) would not have made the trade Castro for Stanton AND money?

    Have we taken a step back in the outfield/DH department...IMO the improvement of Stanton over Holiday and Ellsbury balances out the decline in Judge's numbers.

    So it comes down to pitching...

    Seve...well up until this past month seve was just as good as last year...what has changed? Is he tipping pitches...is there an injury there that is not being talked about...his pitches simply do not have the same movement or as sharp as the beginning part of the year. this year with his shitty last month his whip is 1.109 vs 1.04 last year. he is giving up the same amount of HR/9 1.0 to .9 and his ks per 9 is a tit hair less 10.7 to 10.0. IS this going to continue....it better not because no team can have their ace pitch like #4 starter

    Tanaka actually is doing better this year than last... ERA is almost a run better 4.74 vs 3.84 his WHIP 1.239 vs 1.047 now in fairness last year his ks per 9 were better at 9.8 vs 9.2 but his hr/9 is less 1.8 vs 1.6 so is it fair to say that this year he is pitching better than last?

    CC ...the 37 year old...ERA/WHIP last year... 3.69/1.271 vs 3.59/1.319 pretty simliar i would say.. he was pitching a little deeper into games last year 5.48 innings per start vs 5.35 this year... not too fucking bad for a 37 year old i would say.

    The big difference is Pineda/Gray/Montgomery vs Gray/Germain and ....and...well you get the picture Gray is Eddie Whitson all over again it was a bad choice not because the kid doesnt have talent...he has shown he has some ...but the makeup simply cant handle the jeers. Laughing coming off the mound to me is a guy living in a nightmare anyone actually think he was laughing at the people booing him? Or the fact that this guy career has gone from being voted 3rd in the cy young to see ya...can it get any worse for him? Anyone predicted his era would be 5.56 this year? His Yankee ERA last year was 3.72. We do have the same pitching instructor as last year so it has to be Boone managing him right? That is the only explaination. Boone pulls him aside and says to him i think you shouldnt pitch in the strike zone...

    The pen...
    Chapman.. this year 1.88 ERA and .907 WHIP 29 saves...last year... 3.22 ERA 1.132 WHIP...fair to say he is having an outstanding season this year? Last year he was injuried and was taken out of the closer role. Dam you Girardi!!!!

    Betances...remember him at the end of last year with Girardi.... his full year numbers... 2.87ERA 1.223 WHip...this year..2.40 and 1.022 fair to say he is doing better this year??? 15.1 ks last year per nine vs 15.8 this year..

    Chad Green...his numbers have fallen big time... 1.83 era 0.739 Whip vs 2.82 ERA and 1.078 WHIP this year...ks per 9 went from 13.4 to 10.6 easily the most disappointing member of the relief core

    David Robertson... 1.03 ERA .743 whip 13.1 ks/9 last year 3.51/1.007/11.5 this year so numbers wise it appears he is worse than last year...however he is more towards his career average 2.89 era 1.146 whip 12ks per nine...still we had hoped for a bit more out of him...

    Shreve 3.77/1.324/11.5 vs 4.26/1.5/10.9 was not the answer another pitcher who disappointed...

    So is this team and this year that much worse than last season....OR...are people's expectations that much higher because the team overacheived last year... OR is it because Boston is on pace for a ridiculous 112 win season?


    108 games into the season ...57-51 record..vs 68-40...162 games is a long season my friends....a long season

    the glaring issues..Sanchez...imagine if he wasnt batting 189...or Shreve and Green pitching as well as last year...or fuck Gray pitching at a 4.5 era instead of minor league 5.5 plus...imagine the record we would be talking one of the all time great teams...but...we are not..we are talking about a 68-40 team instead... who if the Sox werent playing the type of ball they are playing NY would be in first place and these differences would not be so overblown.
     
  3. BigDaddyAl1973

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    so yeah i had to get up out of bed and write my reply lol...enjoy the rest of the day fellas...
     
  4. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...there's no way in hell I'm gonna waste my time trying to read & wade through that wall of words...but I'm guessing that you still didn't answer my question.
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    The frenetic pace in which Trashman is making many minor moves just proves there is an urgency to plug the dyke.
    Once Yankee George Kontos acquired for cash from Cleveland & sent to Scranton. Last November Joe Mantiply was
    released by Yankees. Trashman has reaquired off of waivers this lefty from Detroit. After just calling up Tommy Kahnle
    yesterday, today Trashman sends him back down to Scranton. With all of this going on, it certainly proves that the
    pickings are very slim. This GM is just filling bodies into vacant slots....none of which is to help a faltering bullpen.
     
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    Since you wont read my post...ill answer your question..

    Yes a manager and a gm is responsible..

    Now answer me this...who u sitting..who are you replacing with?

    Now go and read what i wrote and you will see this team and its stats are a relatively the same as last year..the exception..the red sox have the third best all time record at this time of the season.
     
  8. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...TAH DAH !!!...Thank you !

    ...It's about time...you could have ended this convo a long time by simply admitting this.

    ...and I couldn't give 2 shits about last year's stats...they have nothing to do with THIS year...and unless you can limit your reply to less than 3,000,000 characters I won't waste my time reading it.




    ...that is all.
     
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    You wanted to compsre Girardi and boone...and boone has the better record..

    I will keep saying this..ou t.d side of boston having an unbrlievale record people would still say whst ive been saying..IT'S A LONG SEASON and teams will have highs and lows.
     
  10. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Championship caliber teams don't typically play the kind of uninspired Baseball like the Yankees have for the last month and a half and are now on a 18-19 streak that has caused them to go from leading the division by a couple of games to now trailing by 8 1/2 games and if you're OK with that, I'm happy for you.

    The Yanx have lost multiple games that they should have easily won and their current streak started well before Judge and Sanchez went on the DL. Players on defense have had multiple mental lapses in the field and poor hitting approaches when at bat, especially with RISP and pitchers have not pitched up to their abilities. And I'm sorry, but it is the responsibility of the coach/es to have the players physically and mentally prepared to play the game...and they have not.

    I don't know why you cannot grasp the importance of winning the division vs having to play a winner-take-all WC playoff game...and they way the Yanx have played lately even a WC spot is not a certainty and even if they do make it as a WC they may have to play that one game away from home. And if the Yanx have to play a WC game it means they will have to burn up their best pitcher, Severino who has not pitched well in his last 5 starts. And if the Yanx are fortunate enough to win the game, what does the rotation then look like for the next series?
     
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    Championship teams dont have losing streaks or dips in form eh...last years team (1 win away from being in the world series) lost 7 in a row and had a stretch of 2 and 12.
    But whatever im not going to change your opinion just have to laugh at sll these one game world series wins and loses this team has.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    What the hell are you talking about?...that's NOT what I said...and why do you insist on irrelevantly comparing this team to Yankee teams of years ago?

    We're not talking about a 7 game stretch or a 14 game stretch, we're talking about nearly 40 games, & if you can't grasp the difference I don't know what to tell you.
     
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