Chicago Tribune: O'Neal wants to be a Knick

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 12 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pacers Fan Forever, I give you credit for trying to defend you statements but honestly...what the hell are you talking about?</div>
He's talking about Ike Diogu and Shawne Williams becoming faces of the franchise, then he goes on to say that they are in better position for the future than the Celtics. :HAHAHA:

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 12 2007, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's talking about Ike Diogu and Shawne Williams becoming faces of the franchise, then he goes on to say that they are in better position for the future than the Celtics. :HAHAHA:</div>they are. wtf is danny ainge doing in office still? and who's that caveman coach?

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>they are. wtf is danny ainge doing in office still? and who's that caveman coach?</div>The Celtics have young players who are developing. Al Jefferson is emerging into a superstar, we're not praying to god that Shawne Freaking Williams/Ike Diagu will save the team. Based on your statements above I doubt you even know anything about what Danny ainge has done in Boston.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 12 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Celtics have young players who are developing. Al Jefferson is emerging into a superstar, we're not praying to god that Shawne Freaking Williams/Ike Diagu will save the team. Based on your statements above I doubt you even know anything about what Danny ainge has done in Boston.</div>ike and williams and granger have as much potential as any of your guys

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ike and williams and granger have as much potential as any of your guys</div>As far as potential goes, Gerald Green has much more than both of them put together. If he ever learns how to play within a team he could easily be an annual all-star. He has all the tools but just needs to put it together. Also, I'm pretty sure that Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will have more potential than ike, shawnee williams, and danny granger as well. As far as actually delivering on potential, Al Jefferson is light years ahead of both of them. He averaged a double double this past season. Out of the guys you listed, Granger is the only one actually making any serious contributions, and he's not as good as Al Jefferson. The Celtics may have at best a mediocre front office and coach, but they have a legit franchise player that's locked up and wants to be there, a blooming all-star big man, a top pick in this stacked draft, the HUGE expiring contract of Theo Ratliff as trade bait, and a cast of young supporting players that will just continue to improve.But the Pacers still have Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy to carry them to the finals. So yeah, you win.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 12 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as potential goes, Gerald Green has much more than both of them put together. If he ever learns how to play within a team he could easily be an annual all-star. He has all the tools but just needs to put it together. Also, I'm pretty sure that Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will have more potential than ike, shawnee williams, and danny granger as well. As far as actually delivering on potential, Al Jefferson is light years ahead of both of them. He averaged a double double this past season. Out of the guys you listed, Granger is the only one actually making any serious contributions, and he's not as good as Al Jefferson. The Celtics may have at best a mediocre front office and coach, but they have a legit franchise player that's locked up and wants to be there, a blooming all-star big man, a top pick in this stacked draft, the HUGE expiring contract of Theo Ratliff as trade bait, and a cast of young supporting players that will just continue to improve.But the Pacers still have Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy to carry them to the finals. So yeah, you win.</div>ike and williams and granger haven't had enough oppurtunities to show themselves because the Pacers have not sucked every year. The Celtics have. When they finally get their oppurtunity, watch out.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ike and williams and granger haven't had enough oppurtunities to show themselves because the Pacers have not sucked every year. The Celtics have. When they finally get their oppurtunity, watch out.</div>Yes, having your franchise player miss almost the entire season will tend to create a bad team. Having three of your top 4 players miss over half the year will make for an unbelievably bad team. Not that the Celtics would've been great this year, but they could've snuck into the playoffs at 6-8 if they were healthy for the whole year. Luckily for us it was the right year to suck. Meanwhile we have the Pacers, who despite being much more talented then over half the teams in the East, and having a proven coach capable of winning, managed to underachieve and create a public image so bad the team had to be blown up. Now you have a bad cap situation because you traded for two mediocre players with huge contracts and your franchise player wants out. The Celtics may have had a rough past 3 seasons, but the Pacers are about to enter the NBA basement for at least several years. So Diogu, Williams, and Granger haven't had an opportunity to prove themselves, but will help carry the team to the finals next season? I must say, if that happens you're one hell of a scout and should be hired immediately.By the way, I'm not the only person who thinks Indiana is screwed: http://www.nbadraft.net/2007stateofthecapindiana001.asp

 

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The Pacers were just as injured, and just as plagued with problems but they finished with a better record

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers were just as injured, and just as plagued with problems but they finished with a better record</div>Let's look at how both teams did after Indiana made that horrible trade and debuted their new team on January 20th:The Celtics finished the regular season 12-32 The Pacers finished 15-28During this time the Celtics were PURPOSELY losing games to get a better draft pick while Indiana was in the playoff race. Before the trade the Pacers were a better team, but certainly not now. They may not even have a first round pick to work with this off-season.

 

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The Pacers are in NBA hell. They have a superstar who is almost at the verge of asking for a trade, some young talent but nothing really outstanding, a few overplayed underachieveing players, some old vets who make a lot of $$, and a middle of the pack draft pick. That last part is huge too. Not to mention, they don't even have a coach right now and whoever is the next coach has a mess to deal with when he comes in. PFF, you need to more research if you think Shawne Williams, Ike Diagu, Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Jamaal Tinsely will bring the Pacers success in the future.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 13 2007, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers are in NBA hell. They have a superstar who is almost at the verge of asking for a trade, some young talent but nothing really outstanding, a few overplayed underachieveing players, some old vets who make a lot of $$, and a middle of the pack draft pick. That last part is huge too. Not to mention, they don't even have a coach right now and whoever is the next coach has a mess to deal with when he comes in. PFF, you need to more research if you think Shawne Williams, Ike Diagu, Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Jamaal Tinsely will bring the Pacers success in the future.</div>I never said anything about Jamaal. I want to f*cking get rid of him. But Ike, Dunleavy, Granger, Williams, and Murphy are as good of a core as anything.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I never said anything about Jamaal</div>Well I remember you saying<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jamaal Tinsley is the pg and pgs can make and break a team. and jamaal breaks the team.</div>So if you want to get rid of the supposed make/break player of your team I think you may have some philosophy issues to deal with.Reguardless, Tinsley doesn't make or break the team, he possibly he could if he could stay healthy and play at a level he could play at without getting in off court bar fights.