I understand its from 2018. Ten years after the Sonics left. It needs a complete overhaul. Okay, but the Sonics left in 2018. 10 years ago. So that new arena was 10-15 years old when they left. 10-15 years in arena life is pretty old. and Im willing to bet was due for a renovation when the sonics left.
I understand what you’re saying, I do realize you said businesses expanding and not neccesarilly moving hq’s as well. I just dont know. Im sure if we looked hard enough we could find some actual data out there on the effects it has.
@jlprk "The doors opened on the newly renovated arena and home court for the Seattle Sonics on October 26, 1995. The arena accommodates up to 16,000 for sporting events, and with help from its flexible lay-out it is adaptable to more intimate gatherings of 5,000 to 9,000. In 2002, KeyArena welcomed the WNBA Seattle Storm." 13 years later the Sonics left. Are you saying it was renovated and in that 13 year period or this was the renovation that should have kept them there?
Probably a little bit of both. But to the original topic, I think because the city is hunting hard for the ASG, that's a sure sign the team isn't going anywhere, whether it is a boost to the economy or not.
It was built in the 90s, completed I think in the late 90s. By about 2002 the team was whining for expansion of the fucking 5-year-old building. Taxpayers said buzz off, and they left about 2008. It wouldn't surprise me if management let it become dusty at the end, for the 2 reasons I stated. But that's not why the team moved. The reason was that they were Okies, and they could get their own state to subsidize them.
Your math is a little off there, but you are right about the real reason they left. It was a mobsta style deal no doubt about it.
Instead of math, let's try logic. A = The team was moving. B = The arena got dirty the last year. You guys say that B caused A. I say that A caused B. A --> B not B --> A
I don't need to. I wasn't the one who claimed the hotels were being built because of the all star game, or that it would create a lot of future revenue for the city.
You're really confusing at one point you say 5 years, and then 10 years, when it was actually 13 years later. I went to other events there prior to that and it was never really that well maintained. I was actually surprised the NBA allowed them to play there it was that bad. The only cool thing about it is the location, unless you're trying to find parking. The ownership of the Sonics changed hands a couple times after the "rebuilding" of Key Arena. Unlike the Rose Garden though, doesn't the City of Seattle own the building? Unless I'm missing something that means that it's the city that let the arena go to shit, not Clay Bennett. It's further proven by the fact that they do in fact have to renovate it again now and are doing so. Edit: The Rose Garden was completed in 1995 too just like the rebuild of Key Arena. I blame everyone involved equally if that place was crap a few years later while the Rose Garden is still in really good shape after 23 years.
Key Arena was built in 1961 and opened in 1962. Not sure what he is talking about either. Then it was renovated in 1994. The place was very old and dilapidated.
They did a renovation in 1995 which was basically to tear it down and rebuild it. I just couldn't follow what he was saying because he initially said 5 years prior.
Okay. Well you were refuting my opinion without substance. Your differing would go further to sell me if it came with some credentials to debunk my opinion. I didnt say i had to, but when people say someone’s opinion is incorrect, they usually back it up with some facts... Thought that was just common communication.
The exact number of years doesn't matter; the process lasted many years. The point is that the team didn't move out because the arena was old (that would be about age 30-40). The owners started whining within about 3-5 years after the multi-year construction finished, which was apparently about 1995. It was not 13 years old when it was 3 years old, as you keep saying, and besides, 13 years old is young. If you are still confused by me, let me spell it out. The year 2018 (your article) is not the year 2008 (the end of the decade of owner demands) is not the year 1998 (the beginning of owner whining about brand new Key Arena) is not years before that (the beginning of owner whining about Seattle Coliseum, only 30 years old). The owner whiners were never satisfied. Fuck 'em. The complaints came from them, never Sonic fans.
I lived in San Diego for ten years. You cannot compare the stadium situation or the fan base to Portland and the Blazers. Also I think many people think the Charger move is/was a mistake. If that team isn’t really good nobody is coming to those games.
My point is that it doesn't matter how much this fan base worships it's team. Heck. Other teams fans know how passionate Blazers fans are. Unless your name is the Lakers or the Celtics, or your city owns the team, like Green Bay, you have every chance of getting fucked if the situation with ownership changes.
I presented my opinion and stated it as that. You insinuated my opinion is incorrect. Prove it or move on. Geez... Edit: i should say teLl me why you disagree or move on. Not just you think im wrong. Tell me why.
When i make my next Billion i will consider buying the Blazers and see for myself if the team can be moved.
