Yeah Honestly thats about how I see richardon he’s a decent player. He plays with good energy, I bet we’d like him if he played in portland just because of the energy he plays with.
It did include someone else as a salary filler but that is not mentioned. I think it may have been Waiters or Tyler Johnson.
Bam wasn't mentioned in some reports but Miami fans on a forum I saw seemed convinced they were willing to include him as well.
If he did that I think the Timberwolves should be able to take some of his pay away. The NBA needs to make the NBA more of an owners league and not just let the players run by all over it.
Energy is nice, but results are nicer. Yeah, I'm not trying to be too hard on Richardson, but he's at best, an average player, not the kind of return you'd expect for a player like Jimmy Butler, under normal circumstances. Thankfully, through their own incompetence, MIN has made sure they will get way below market value for Butler. Good. After making the playoffs for the 1st time in 14 seasons, MIN looks like they will be right back where they usually are - on the outside looking in. BNM
You're wrong but this is too long-winded to easily reply too. Your segments are made for news, not conversation.
Richardson is a good player, he's a better asset than anything we have bar Dame and CJ. That's the worst thing about our roster, it's not even that they are all overpaid, it's that they have almost no value in the market. Even fairly good player like Harkless has neutral value at best. We got nothing to build trade offers around. Even Bucks could offer someone like Brogdon and immediately beat any offer we can come up with.
There are always people who claim that in order to trade for a star you have to send out an equivalent player, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I can't even recall a trade where teams swapped high-level players. It's almost always a star for a bunch of filler, with the hope that one of those players will actually turn into something useful someday. The closest is Kawhi/DeRozen. But both teams were in a bind. Any other examples?
If the Blazers aren't going after Butler, I have to think it's because of some knowledge the Blazers have about Butler's attitude/locker room presence that the Blazers have concluded make him poison.
Ha! I've totally forgotten about Thomas. He bamboozled the league into thinking he was a good player! Javale McGee of PGs. I do suppose that, at the time of the trade, it was comparable to what a Butler/CJ trade would be today.
It's been clarified that Miami did not offer Richardson AND Adebayo, only Richardson and a draft pick. Houston only offered Gordon; not willing to give Gordon AND Tucker. Clippers will not give up Tobias Harris, but will give Gallinari or package including Beverly and Teodosic.
What hung up the deal with Miami at last moment is that they would not take on extra salary (Dieng?).
I don't think that Trent or Simons have any more value today than they had on draft day, so I'm not sure what we have to offer besides draft picks, some salary relief, Harkless (with durability concerns) or Turner, and of course Collins. Don't see how we could get him without giving up Collins.
That's your opinion, with nothing to back it up. Just saying it does not make it true. I offered my opinion and some evidence to back it up. All you have offered is your opinion. If you don't want to refute the data I posted, at least provide some of your own to support your opinion. As is, all you've stated is (obviously paraphrasing), "you're wrong because I say so". Your opinion is no more valid than mine, and until you provide something to back it up, less so. BNM
Maybe a little more perceived value, but you're right, they haven't proven anything. The reason I say perceived value is even on draft day, the opinion of many scouts was that if Simons had waited a year, he would have been a lottery pick in 2019. In both summer league and preseason, Simons has done nothing to hurt that impression. The general consensus is that, in spite of his age, lack of experience and slight build, he's actually closer to being ready than most would have projected on draft night. Basically, at this point, he should have the same trade value as a 2019 late lottery pick, basically something in the 10 - 15 range, and as far as I can tell, no one else has offered a package for Butler that includes a top 15 2019 draft pick. Trent Jr. looked great in summer league, but has looked lost in preseason. GMs recently voted him as the 4th best steal in the draft. So, he does have some perceived value, but at this point, that perceived value is, at best, a late 1st round pick, or more likely an early 2nd round pick (i.e. about where we picked him). At this point, I'd be willing to give up Collins in a deal for Butler. Collins has great defensive instincts and I believe his shot will come around, but he has hands of stone. He REALLY struggles catching the ball, and at times has difficulty controlling rebounds. I mentioned this during summer league and hoped it was just due to nerves, trying to make his move before he catches the ball, etc, and hoped it would improve. It hasn't. If anything, he looks even worse in preseason. It just further proves he's the anti-Meyers. He has all the defensive instincts and skills Meyers lacks, but one thing Meyers does well is catch the ball (he also sets good screens). What he does with it after he catches it is a topic for a different discussion, but if you could graft Meyers' hands onto Collins body, you might have something special. BNM
It's impossible to address your posts because they're too long. That's my point. I can, but I don't care enough.
Then your opinion holds no weight. If you can't back up what you say, don't bother saying it. You don't have to refute everything I said, but you have offered NOTHING to support your opinion, while calling mine "wrong". An unsupported opinion is worth less than the time it takes to type it. You cared enough to respond multiple times (telling me I'm wrong, but not bothering to tell me why). Maybe in the future you should care enough to actually support what you say. BNM
Personally, I think the jury is still out on Richardson. He had an okay year last year but it's one of those situations where people are expecting him to break out at some point and his value depends on whether you think that is going to happen or not. He just turned 25 so he's still young enough that a big jump is possible while at the same time he could be what he is basically going to be for his career. If he doesn't have a big jump he's still a decent player but not that great of an asset. He's not making that much less than Harkless and is only a few months younger. Both provide solid defense but if Harkless can shot +40% on 3 pointers consistently there is definitely a case that could be made that he is a comparable player in terms of worth to a team.
I think if he was going to break out, last season was the year it was going to happen. Last year was his first as a starter and he averaged over 33 MPG, if he was going to take up his game a notch, last year was the year to do it. He did see marginal improvement in his scoring, but hardly what anyone would call breaking out. He's now entering his fourth NBA season, and as you mentioned, he's 25. That's not old, but for a 4-year college player, if they are going to break out, it would have happened by now. He may continue to improve incrementally, but this is not a Jermaine O'Neil situation where he came into the league as a teenager and didn't get much PT his first three seasons. He played nearly 4000 minutes in his four years in college (three as a starter) and now has over 5000 minutes of NBA experience under his belt. At this point, if he hasn't reached his peak, he's damn close. BNM
