It's impossible to tell. MLB & Bud Selig have made such a mockery of drug testing until recently that we'll never know how much steroid-use there was in the majors. However, if you want to judge Bonds performance without steroids, just look at him now. Even at 42, he's still managing to hit homeruns, and there is no way he is on steroids at the moment. If Selig can attend the games during the Sosa-McGwire homerun chase, then he should also be there if Barry Bonds breaks Hank Aaron's record.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pistol @ May 10 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you guys do know that taken steroids 20 years ago doesn't affect your game now</div>Yeah, those muscles all deteriorate. :HAHAHA:mardy ftw as usual. You my boy mardy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SBoyd415 @ May 10 2007, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's impossible to tell. MLB & Bud Selig have made such a mockery of drug testing until recently that we'll never know how much steroid-use there was in the majors. However, if you want to judge Bonds performance without steroids, just look at him now. Even at 42, he's still managing to hit homeruns, and there is no way he is on steroids at the moment. If Selig can attend the games during the Sosa-McGwire homerun chase, then he should also be there if Barry Bonds breaks Hank Aaron's record.</div>I wouldn't say it's impossible to tell. It's obvious that Bonds used steroids for a reason (to improve his playing abilities) and that he wouldn't be as good without them. You cannot deny that. It would be incompetent.Just because he is 42 and/or not using steroids does not mean that the effects of those steroids are not apparent. I don't know how you can say that they have no effect. They aren't like adrenaline or a drug that lasts for a temporary amount of time. They increase your muscle mass. They increase the size of your body. Sure, after a long time, the size of your body will go down. The key is that it helps you get to that size (it is much easier to maintain a muscle's size that to increase it). It's not like it just stops having effect on you in a short amount of time. It lasts for quite a while. Its effects are even worse on an undeveloped child.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>OMGz it's so ridiculous to think that some HUGE 1st baseman went from being trash for the Twins to a super star stud, one of the most feared power hitters in the game..Yeah ok.it's def. not "ridiculous" to have suspsision, however we don't have enough evidence yet.</div>Minny was f*cking around with him, Papi sucks at fielding, period. They couldn't decide whether he would be a DH or a 1st baseman. Also Papi hit 20 HR and 75 RBI's in 125 games in 2002. So he wasn't "trash" the last few years on Minny. If he played a full season he would have had 30 HR's and 100 RBI's that year. Minny was idiotic for not re-upping him when he started to turn it on. Boston brought him in to be a DH where he could focus on the only thing this guy can do, HIT.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 10 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Minny was f*cking around with him, Papi sucks at fielding, period. They couldn't decide whether he would be a DH or a 1st baseman. Also Papi hit 20 HR and 75 RBI's in 125 games in 2002. So he wasn't "trash" the last few years on Minny. If he played a full season he would have had 30 HR's and 100 RBI's that year. Minny was idiotic for not re-upping him when he started to turn it on. Boston brought him in to be a DH where he could focus on the only thing this guy can do, HIT.</div>If Minny was so idiotic, why did every other team in the league pass up on him as he cleared waivers TWICE. Boston took a chance. It worked. He was going nowhere in Minnesota. His knees weren't able to stay healthy, part of the reason may have been the astroturf that was in place. Also, the Twins didn't "F*ck around with him." At least 80% of the time he was DH while Mientkiewicz was at first base. Boston was fortunate that he turned out the way he did. It was a great move by the Sox, but not necessarily a stupid move by the Twins to let go of him, many other teams would have done the same thing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If Minny was so idiotic, why did every other team in the league pass up on him as he cleared waivers TWICE. Boston took a chance. It worked. He was going nowhere in Minnesota. His knees weren't able to stay healthy, part of the reason may have been the astroturf that was in place. Also, the Twins didn't "F*ck around with him." At least 80% of the time he was DH while Mientkiewicz was at first base. Boston was fortunate that he turned out the way he did. It was a great move by the Sox, but not necessarily a stupid move by the Twins to let go of him, many other teams would have done the same thing.</div>From what I understood Minny was f*cking around with him. Maybe that was just the Boston media trying to play up that Boston was really smart in picking him up but aside from that Ortiz still put up great numbers in 2002 and he was only 26 at the time. It was his first really good season in 2002 and Minny had a great team that year. To say he was going nowhere is a bit of an overstatement. He had pretty good power numbers his last year and that's what Ortiz does well. The guy has never hit for average, he has always been a power DH. And another reason why Boston has had so much success with him is because they've never even fathomed putting him at 1st after seeing he had no success at it in Minnesota. He's a power hitter, pure and simple.But back to the overall point of this topic. People are going to speculate that Ortiz did steroids because he said he took some random protein drink in the Dominican Republic before he even step foot on a major league field? It's just an irrelevant story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 13 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But back to the overall point of this topic. People are going to speculate that Ortiz did steroids because he said he took some random protein drink in the Dominican Republic before he even step foot on a major league field? It's just an irrelevant story.</div>Very true. Had there been some sort of suspicion based on a real hard steroid, say HGH, then perhaps it would be more valid. But this is a non-story on a slow news day.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 13 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People are going to speculate that Ortiz did steroids because he said he took some random protein drink in the Dominican Republic before he even step foot on a major league field? It's just an irrelevant story.</div>If by people you mean Ortiz himself...It's not relevant if he truly unknowingly took steroids in a protein drink many years ago. The part that gets me is that it seems pretty unlikely that he would know that. I mean what, he drinks some protein drink, then (a) decade(s) later he just decides that he maybe took steroids and that he's going to bring it up to the media? It seems... strange to me. I would find other scenarios more likely, but the fact remains that Ortiz brought it up himself, not some other random guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (joemagoo362 @ May 13 2007, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His knees weren't able to stay healthy, part of the reason may have been the astroturf that was in place.</div>Lol when has ortiz ever stepped on any part outside of the dirt running path, hahaha.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ May 14 2007, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol when has ortiz ever stepped on any part outside of the dirt running path, hahaha.</div>Haha, yeah that dirt running path that was in place at the Metrodome during his tenure ... oh wait, there wasn't any? http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/metrod...odome_7_med.jpgIt was essentially running on concrete. For a hefty fella, it may take a toll on him.
Oh, wow, I didn't know the Metrodome looked like that. hahah Only fields I know at all are like Wrigley, Chase Field, and I'm going to Fenway hopefully at the end of June.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If by people you mean Ortiz himself...It's not relevant if he truly unknowingly took steroids in a protein drink many years ago. The part that gets me is that it seems pretty unlikely that he would know that. I mean what, he drinks some protein drink, then (a) decade(s) later he just decides that he maybe took steroids and that he's going to bring it up to the media? It seems... strange to me. I would find other scenarios more likely, but the fact remains that Ortiz brought it up himself, not some other random guy</div>If you've seen the interview, Ortiz brought it up in an almost joking manner. People, other than Ortiz, have speculated that he could be on steroids. I was saying that this whole story is irrelevant to any sort of steroid speculation because he may have taken some random drink 10 years ago before he was even in the league. If he said oh, I took some random protein drink when I came to Boston, this would be a totally different story.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 14 2007, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you've seen the interview, Ortiz brought it up in an almost joking manner. People, other than Ortiz, have speculated that he could be on steroids. I was saying that this whole story is irrelevant to any sort of steroid speculation because he may have taken some random drink 10 years ago before he was even in the league. If he said oh, I took some random protein drink when I came to Boston, this would be a totally different story.</div>You're right, I have not seen the interview, but after reading the paragraph where he talks about possibly taking steroids in a drink again, it doesn't seem like a joking manner to me. It does in the other paragraphs. I don't know, maybe if you could explain the funny part I would get it.I understand why you said it's irrelevant. I even said in my last post that I understood and explained why I understood. The part that you're not getting is that it goes beyond whether or not he took some protein drink 10 years ago or whenever. I am trying to figure out why he would bring it up and how he would even know. It doesn't seem strange to you at all? How could he only know that it's possible? He doesn't know for sure one way or another? So yes, as I explained in my last post which you obviously did not read, if he unknowingly took a protein drink with steroids in it years ago, that is not bad. But how the hell would he not know about it, then bring it up 10 years later? It does not make sense. Durr.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't seem strange to you at all? How could he only know that it's possible? He doesn't know for sure one way or another</div>I get what you were saying but it's almost is if you're thinking David Ortiz has some hidden steroid conspiracy. He's just merely saying, I took some random drink back in the day, it could have had steroids in it, how the hell would I have known? I just took it because someone told me it would help me. That kind of thing. I'm pretty sure Ortiz doesn't have an MD in pharmaceutical education.These athletes growing up in the Dominican aren't fortunate enough to have the education on what not to take and what to take.
