This is the way I see it.1st team:Steve Nash-Yet another great year for Nashy who has helped the Suns out greatly. Though he did not win MVP for the third straight year he really deserves to make the first team. Probably the best Point Guard in the NBA right now and I don't really think that there is a person out there wondering why this player made the first team. They all know him; teams respect his abilities and know how this superstar can play. He deserves these honors of being on the NBA All First Team.Kobe Bryant-What can I say about this guy? I don?t really like him but how he had a great season yet again. He put up monstrous numbers for points per a game. I think he is a ball hog but still who is he able to pass to? Lamar was out for part of the season, and he didn?t have much other players can score like him. I don?t think he is a great defender but others do which helps him. Another player who was in the MVP race but didn?t win it, and he deserves to be on the NBA All First team.Tim Duncan-A reason that the Spurs are having great success is because of this guy. Is a good all around player and does everything on a consistent basis. He has off games every once in a while but it?s not very often. He is a great force and is a fighter down low.Amare Stoudemire-After coming off last season with his knee problems and that stuff tried to come back but didn?t work out he left after a few games then got hurt again. Coming into this season there were questions going around the sports world wondering how he would be next year or if his career was over. Though he came back this season and was back to his old self. A well deserved All NBA First Team.Dirk Nowitzki-MVP MVP, are what the fans were chanting when my Warriors played them in the first round of the playoffs. He did win MVP this year, not to happy because I don?t like him but good job anyways. Though he did put up great numbers this season and no doubt deserved to be on the NBA All First honors.
I pretty much agree with the list, what I want to comment on is the whole Baron Davis should be higher than Billups and Wade etc. 1st off, Billups lead his team to the best record in the East. Grant you he didnt have an injury and a major trade midway through the season, but his team still won a lot more games than GS. Also, how do you put a guy who didnt even make his All-Star team on the 2nd or 3rd All-NBA Team? Also, Davis is on a team that is offense minded while Detroit is more defensive minded. Has somewhat of an effect on the stats. Davis is having a superb playoff showing, but just had a good average season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 11 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bingo. Not to mention the intangibles that Billups brings to that team.Serge, since when is a record of 31-28 (since Iverson was traded to Denver, with a winning percentage of .525) better than a record of 53-29 (.646 winning percentage)?Individual stats aren't everything when it comes to NBA awards... winning plays an equal part in determining the recipients. I mean, after all, winning is what matters most.</div>Dude don't matter if it was close it is one thing. IT WAS NO WERE CLOSE.AI was clearly WAY better even though he had to take a back seat to Melo.First East was weak in the East Denver with a full training camp together next year would win atleast 60 games probably about 65.And AI had Melo+JR missing, then JR came back Melo still missing, then before Melo came back Camby had a injury, before that they traded Boykins, then when Melo and JR was back Camby still missed games due to injurys, then AI missed games due to injurys are you kidding me man? They had the 2nd most diff starting line up's in the league this year. No matter how good you are you can't have so many changes none stop you gotta get use to something not keep having changes.And you can say DET has 4 all stars Billups, RIP, Sheed, Prince..............But Billups still the guy there AI has taken a seat back to Melo.And no this award is for having a good season not record of a team.And AI brings leadership everyone has praised how great he has been as a leader since coming to Denver.Now again if was close #'s like AI/Wade, or AI/T-Mac that is one thing this is not close.AI was not really the PG in Denver, and Billups a TRUE PG still assists were same. Billups taller yet rebounds were the same. AI since coming to Denver he shot 45% as a Nugget.Enough said it is not close. AI even played D when he came to Denver unlike lately in Philly.I showed proov you all act like I am getting this out of my *ss.
Good Picks. The only pick I question is the Wade making a team while being injured. IMO Kidd should have been put there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 12 2007, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently Serge still doesn't understand this wildly innovative concept called "winning."</div>Winning does not matter this rewards players who are good even on a sucky team WTF are you smoking?And Denver was very good once they all played together sometimes they made a great run at the end of the season you don't seem to know sh*t about basketball cause if you did you would understand no matter how good you are it takes time to get use to changes, and Denver had 2nd most diff starting line up's.Not like Denver missed the playoffs and even then this is reguler season awards for those who are good players there is nothing saying you have to make the playoffs or have a good seat or w/e.The stuff was not close you can't argue that. If it was 1 or 2 point diff and all aight but it is not close Billups is not close to AI, and was not this year nothing changed look at the #'s they say it all. You don't do so much better as a 2nd option unlike him being the first by accident you need to learn NBA if you think Billups should have made it over AI.They really do need a new voting system. Even David Stern would have voted AI on. LOL And I am sure David Stern rather not have AI on all league team premoting image stupid David Stern is against.
[quote name='Serge' post='354824' date='May 12 2007, 07:27 PM']Winning does not matter this rewards players who are good even on a sucky team WTF are you smoking?[/quote]Evidently not considering most, if not all, of the players named to the All-NBA teams are on winning/playoff teams. When is the last time you saw a player whose team won less than 30-35 games on the All-NBA team? Even individual awards take winning into account to some degree. Exactly. Denver only started taking off at the end of the season, whereas Detroit was great the entire season. Also, it seems like you're contradicting yourself... first you say winning doesn't matter in individual awards, and now you're pretty much using Denver's late season surge to justify that Iverson was snubbed. Oh, and by the way, it's spelled SEED not SEAT. I agree, statistically Iverson was above Billups, but when you take into account team success and the amount of impact each player has on their respective team, Billups was superior to Iverson in that aspect this season. You keep saying that Iverson put up numbers despite taking a back-seat to Carmelo, right? Well, in some cases you can say putting up numbers is easier for Iverson because he can just operate one-on-one or with less pressure than Billups can because he is able to give the ball to Melo or Nene and let them do their thing.Billups, on the other hand, is relied upon to make that offense go. Without Billups, Detroit is a mediocre team. Billups is their maestro/leader on the floor. He brings many, many intangibles to that team that they would not have otherwise. Iverson brings intangibles to Denver as well, but Denver did not play well enough consistently the entire season to merit Iverson being included on the All-NBA team. If Denver plays as well next year as they did in April this year, then he will surely be deserving of a spot, but this year he simply wasn't. It's not that difficult to understand, but you can't see it because once again you are blinded by your love for AI. How do you know? Are you David Stern?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 12 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Evidently not considering most, if not all, of the players named to the All-NBA teams are on winning/playoff teams. When is the last time you saw a player whose team won less than 30-35 games on the All-NBA team? Even individual awards take winning into account to some degree.Exactly. Denver only started taking off at the end of the season, whereas Detroit was great the entire season. Also, it seems like you're contradicting yourself... first you say winning doesn't matter in individual awards, and now you're pretty much using Denver's late season surge to justify that Iverson was snubbed. Oh, and by the way, it's spelled SEED not SEAT.I agree, statistically Iverson was above Billups, but when you take into account team success and the amount of impact each player has on their respective team, Billups was superior to Iverson in that aspect this season. You keep saying that Iverson put up numbers despite taking a back-seat to Carmelo, right? Well, in some cases you can say putting up numbers is easier for Iverson because he can just operate one-on-one or with less pressure than Billups can because he is able to give the ball to Melo or Nene and let them do their thing.Billups, on the other hand, is relied upon to make that offense go. Without Billups, Detroit is a mediocre team. Billups is their maestro/leader on the floor. He brings many, many intangibles to that team that they would not have otherwise. Iverson brings intangibles to Denver as well, but Denver did not play well enough consistently the entire season to merit Iverson being included on the All-NBA team. If Denver plays as well next year as they did in April this year, then he will surely be deserving of a spot, but this year he simply wasn't. It's not that difficult to understand, but you can't see it because once again you are blinded by your love for AI.How do you know? Are you David Stern? </div>Yes, but Iverson's team won well Melo/AI's team won.Winning really should not matter. And me pointing out Denver started winning I was talking about that they needed time to gel no matter how good you are you can't just come and start winning when your line up is changed 2nd most in the league you need time. Yet there was idiots that said ow Melo/AI can't win together or w/e. Like some people need to get a clue you can't have so many changes none stop you need to gel then they will win like they should.And again they have 4 so called "all stars" but Billups still the #1 guy. AI took a step back for the team, and is now more 2nd option he takes 7 less shots now as a 2nd option. AI was not selfish, and has helped a lot in the locker room, and out of the locker room guys, and coach really are surprised with how much a leader AI is and all. So AI is a leader just like Billups. And only reason Denver did not have a top 4 seat was first AI was not with the team then Melo+JR was suspended then trades/injurys there was just to much changes. And you also got to remember how bad the East is DET could beat up on the East. If Denver was in the East they be a LOCK FINALS EASY. No DET is not better even though most say they are.Nene did not starting playing like that until closer to the end of the season. And I can say same for Billups he has 3 other so called "all stars" in Sheed, Rip, and Prince so I mean Nuggets due have Melo, but they even out more in DET they got Prince, Rip, and Sheed.Dude again Denver did not win as much cause first AI was not there then when he was Melo+JR was out then. Then Boykins trade, and Camby injury. Then JR back, but Melo still out. Then Melo also back, but JR was strugling. Then AI injury, and Camby once again injury. As I said they had the 2nd most diff starting line up's in the league. And again look Nuggets gotta play so much more against West while DET can beat up on the sucky East am I wrong there?And haha if I was David Stern hehe I might no support Iverson. LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ May 13 2007, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but Iverson's team won well Melo/AI's team won.Winning really should not matter. And me pointing out Denver started winning I was talking about that they needed time to gel no matter how good you are you can't just come and start winning when your line up is changed 2nd most in the league you need time. Yet there was idiots that said ow Melo/AI can't win together or w/e. Like some people need to get a clue you can't have so many changes none stop you need to gel then they will win like they should.And again they have 4 so called "all stars" but Billups still the #1 guy. AI took a step back for the team, and is now more 2nd option he takes 7 less shots now as a 2nd option. AI was not selfish, and has helped a lot in the locker room, and out of the locker room guys, and coach really are surprised with how much a leader AI is and all. So AI is a leader just like Billups. And only reason Denver did not have a top 4 seat was first AI was not with the team then Melo+JR was suspended then trades/injurys there was just to much changes. And you also got to remember how bad the East is DET could beat up on the East. If Denver was in the East they be a LOCK FINALS EASY. No DET is not better even though most say they are.Nene did not starting playing like that until closer to the end of the season. And I can say same for Billups he has 3 other so called "all stars" in Sheed, Rip, and Prince so I mean Nuggets due have Melo, but they even out more in DET they got Prince, Rip, and Sheed.Dude again Denver did not win as much cause first AI was not there then when he was Melo+JR was out then. Then Boykins trade, and Camby injury. Then JR back, but Melo still out. Then Melo also back, but JR was strugling. Then AI injury, and Camby once again injury. As I said they had the 2nd most diff starting line up's in the league. And again look Nuggets gotta play so much more against West while DET can beat up on the sucky East am I wrong there?And haha if I was David Stern hehe I might no support Iverson. LOL</div>If you honestly think AI should have made it over Billups this year, please get your head checked.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 13 2007, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you honestly think AI should have made it over Billups this year, please get your head checked.</div>There is NOTHING wrong with what I am saying the stats showed it all.And from now on voter need to consider the talent each guys has to play with when they vote for MVP also. Not just what seed you get in the playoffs cause one guy don't get you a high seed the whole team has to do that. And if your doing it all to get your team to the playoffs, and get a 7th seat by your self carring the team with a great season you should not get f***** when you have a MVP season just cause your gm did not get you as much help as the other guys gm who got him more help. You had the far better season you get the MVP not the other dude cause they got a better seed due to him having a lot more talent around him. If it is really close 1/2 point diff and stuff everything else same rebounds or steals w/e that's one thing sure team who has a better record I don't mind. But when a guy has a clear better season the other guy should not take away this guys MVP just because his gm put more talent around him to win.Is it Iverson's fault he had a gm who just did not put enough around him? NOO exactly AI is doing it all to win how is it his fault when he just does not have anything around him? It's not so he should not get robed of a MVP, a all league team, or anything else.
Wow, this is intriguing. TD actually got more votes at Center than Amare did, but the league transferred his center votes to forward, thus making him beat Lebron when he shouldn't have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 13 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, this is intriguing. TD actually got more votes at Center than Amare did, but the league transferred his center votes to forward, thus making him beat Lebron when he shouldn't have.</div>Yeah Lebron should have been first team.
