Terry Stotts & Markieff Morris

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  1. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, lets excuse the cheater because of a some bad defense. That's a horrible post in my opinion.

    Not to mention the fact that after the incident Morris had 9 points, 2 rebounds, and an assist.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    No. The 100k number is ridiculous IMO.
     
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    Cool. Play defense, stymie the cheater. Nothing was going to happen anyway in real time.

    Sucks he got away with it. Be a better team, defend.
     
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    The bench should've gotten a technical in regulation. The Blazers would likely have won in regulation. Everything after that would then be pointless.
     
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    Strenuus Well-Known Member

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    I get -that-. But like Dviss1 said (who I take their word over most anyone) which official is going to be watching the bench? That bench is away from the field of vision for all three officials. You're asking an official to do something that is not part of regularity. That's a slippery slope.

    It got missed. A LOT of things get missed. In crunch time, in non-crunch time. Shit happens. Whining about it doesn't do anything. Its a waste of time, really. You play what happens in reality, not what should have happened.

    To err is to human, and the errs came with our defense, not the unfortunate fact that three officials didn't go outside their line of sight.

    It sucks. But in the end, we lost. And that's on our team because of what was seen in real time. Nothing you can do. I don't condone cheating ever, but it happened. What I also don't condone is the shitty defense we played. And that is what WAS seen by all involved.

    And this is also coming from someone who has always had epic disdain for Morris. What he did was complete bush league. But it wasn't caught, what is supposed to happen? "Oh wait, guys... Hey, washington... can you fly all the way back to Portland, get suited up for 6 seconds of the game, see what happens, and then you can go play that next home game tomorrow?"

    You're getting worked up about something that, while unfortunate, can't be changed, won't be changed, and unless officials get trained to look at EVERYTHING on the floor in a second, won't be changed.
     
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    Based on your initial response it appeared you took issue with the idea of $100k being levied against post-game comments...which I clearly excluded from the $100k fine.

    Anything less than $100k for cheating isn't much of a deterrent at all. A $10k or $25k fine for cheating is not even really a slap on the wrist - I'm many scenarios it's far less costly than a technical foul.
     
  7. hoopsjock

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    Well 1st of all, the Wizards are on the West Coast still. So yes I want to see them have to come up and replay it. That's their fault for cheating. Yes, I am aware that this won't happen.

    Once again, you are completely dismissing that the bench is literally up and standing in that position before the ball is even handed to Stauskas. I understand during the play it's impossible to see but in my opinion if the refs enforced the rules more strictly prior to the inbounds pass we aren't even talking about this. Morris literally steps on the court and grabs someone. TWICE. The Wizards shouldn't get rewarded for this behavior with a win.

    You know what, the more I think about it they shouldn't have to replay the last few seconds. It should be an automatic forfeit the minute a bench player interferes with the action intentionally. So the Wizards should have that win stripped from their record.
     
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    I'm not taking it as far as calling it cheating. It's bush league but to call it cheating is going to far. It's not anything like a Spygate, or Deflategate. It's simply unsporting.
     
  9. hoopsjock

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    To me, the results can't play into the action. What if Dame got caught up and had to kick it out to Curry? What if Curry was supposed to cut? An angle I saw very clearly shows Curry trying to go in for an offensive rebound on Dame's attempt. What if the hold, even for a second, prevented Curry from getting the ball on a deflection? That is cheating.
     
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    Calling it cheating is going way overboard.

    It's along the same lines as disconcerting the free thrower.

    A free throw is just that. You get to freely throw it with no distractions from the other team.

    It's simply a technical foul and outs along the same lines as what Morris did.

    He is disconcerting movement.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. In your free throw example, those players are usually on the court. If they are on the bench yelling that is not the same as a player not even in the game stepping onto the court and intentionally making contact with a player during a play, twice.
     
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    Technically it is. But it doesn't rise to the egregious level you're describing. You tech him up and he won't do it again. As someone who administers the rules, it's not worth a suspension or a $100K fine IMO.
     
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    This is the kind of thing that should be reviewable AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS. The ref didn't see it real time? Fine, call a time out and ask them to review what's on tape. If they see the infraction, call the tech and the team asking for review gets their timeout back. If there is no visible infraction, the team is charged for the timeout.

    BNM
     
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    No one brought it up until well after... so they couldn't have reviewed it. I agree IF someone sees it, but in this instance no one did.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    The player involved (in this case, Seth) should be able to call a timeout, tell the official what happened and ask them to review the available video. No one brought it up at the time, because it's not currently reviewable.

    BNM
     
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    I agree with that.
     
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    Are you guys still talking about Morris pants pull? :dunno: Send it to the league and be done with it. They are the ones to decide if any punishment should be levied.
     
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    At least he was actually in the game.
     
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    Doing things like this was part of growing up playing in the parks. It just happened. And if it happens on the court with players on the court, they do it at their own risk.......but for a player who is not even in the game, to have a chance to effect/affect the outcome of what's going on on the court, that should be punishable somehow. We are lucky we had our robo cams isolated on the team benches to even get this shot.
     

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