<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The voting for the 2006-07 All-NBA Team does not add up--literally. In case you missed it, here are the members of the three All-NBA Teams:First Team (1st place votes).....PointsForward: Dirk Nowitzki, Dal (125).....634Forward: Tim Duncan, SaS (94).........573Center: Amare Stoudemire, Phx (36)....351(note: the original NBA press release listed this number as 494)Guard: Steve Nash, Phx (129)..........645Guard: Kobe Bryant, LAL (128).........643Second TeamForward: LeBron James, Cle (64).......494Forward: Chris Bosh, Tor (8)..........234Center: Yao Ming, Hou (38)............333Guard: Gilbert Arenas, Was (0)........295Guard: Tracy McGrady, Hou (10)........278Third TeamForward: Kevin Garnett, Min (5).......225Forward: Carmelo Anthony, Den (1).....142Center: Dwight Howard, Orl (1)........108Guard: Dwyane Wade, Mia (1)...........241Guard: Chauncey Billups, Det (0).......86The voting panel consisted of 129 members of the media. Players received five points for each First Team vote, three points for each Second Team vote and one point for each Third Team vote. Two players received some First Team votes but did not have enough overall points to make any of the three teams: Miami's Shaquille O'Neal (3) and Denver's Marcus Camby (2). Based on the scoring system and the point totals provided by the NBA it is possible to figure out the vote breakdown for several of the players. The voting was supposedly done by position but that is clearly not the case. Nash was the only unanimous First Team selection, while Bryant received 128 First Team votes and one Second Team vote. In theory, that should mean that there was only one other First Team vote at guard--but McGrady got 10 and Wade got one, which means that some voters either disregarded positional considerations or else slotted McGrady (or Bryant or Wade) at forward. Matters are even more confused in the frontcourt. Nowitzki received 125 First Team votes at forward and apparently got three Second Team votes and was left off of one ballot entirely (which makes no sense; the voting was done before the playoffs and anyone who thinks that Nowitzki was not among the league's six best forwards this season is smoking crack). Duncan received 94 First Team votes, 34 Second Team votes and one Third Team vote. That means that there should be 39 more First Team votes spread among various forwards--but James got 64, Bosh got 10, Garnett got five and Anthony got one; in other words, 41 extra votes were cast for forwards. Meanwhile, center got the short end of the stick. Amare Stoudemire made the First Team with 494 points and 36 First Team votes, while Yao Ming got more First Team votes (38) than Stoudemire did but only had 333 points. Assuming that O'Neal and Camby were considered centers that still leaves a shortfall of 50 First Team votes at center.It is easy to figure out how all of this happened: Yao missed 34 games and O'Neal missed 42 games, so some voters left them off of their ballots entirely, while others simply looked at those players' production in the games that they played. If you disregarded Yao and O'Neal because of the games that they missed then you were basically left with Stoudemire, Camby, Howard or Ben Wallace, none of whom had better seasons than Nowitzki, Duncan or James. I am guessing that the ballot does not stipulate which position to put players in, so some voters simply slid Duncan or Nowitzki to center. The end result is that the true center who received the most First Team votes (Yao) ended up on the Second Team, while Stoudemire ended up on the First Team even though James had the same number of points and many more First Team votes. The NBA should have either officially assigned positions to the various players when ballots were sent out or should have put James on the First Team in a tie with Stoudemire since they ended up with the same number of points. It is pretty obvious that some voters put players at different positions than others did which means that, in a sense, they were not really voting on the same issue. Duncan, Nowitzki and Stoudemire are all "bigs," which means that there is no true small forward on the First Team; it makes more sense to put the consensus picks for the two best "bigs" on the First Team alongside James then to put Stoudemire as one of the top five players in the league when it is doubtful that many of the voters would agree with that (as demonstrated by the fact that he did not even receive the most First Team votes at center anyway).</div>Looks like a strange clerical error that probably resulted in some people getting ripped off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 13 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I get it, you don't think Amare should be there, whatever. :brucelee:</div>Umm I like Amare, but no first team is to much he should not be on the first team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 13 2007, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I get it, you don't think Amare should be there, whatever. :brucelee:</div>well it's just a literal impossibility that he got as many points as they said he did.
Amare on the first team? Talk about giving something handed to you, although I think he had a good year, no where near that, I think all the teams they named were terrable, this is how I thought It shouldve went.1st teamGuard- KobeGuard- Kidd(forget Nash, look at this mans numbers and with a lesser team, Triple double, count em up)Forward - LebronForward- DirkCenter- Duncan(thats what he plays)2nd TeamGuard-Nash(people dont realize his team is half of what he is)Guard- CarterForward- Carmelo(if full season, he should be first team)Forward- Chris boshCenter- Amare(im stretching it to put him here)3rd teamGuard- Billups(wade wasnt the same this year, arenas was to up and down)Guard- McGrady(arenas is to up and down, and wade wasnt the same)Forward- Boozer( Very impressive this year, when he played he was a beast)Forward- GarnettCenter- Camby( defensive player of the year, Yao got blocked by nate robinson, he shouldnt play again, hes pathetic in my mind)People base these teams off the wrong things. I base them off of who was more important and how well they did, considering what they have around them. Nash has to much around him to say that, people who say he doesn't are just dumb, same with dirk and Amare. Kidd had jefferson who was out half the time and carter. Kobe although he was spectatcular also didnt have a team and made the playoffs, Duncan plays tremendous and though he has a team he will make any team a playoff team in my mind, and lebrons numbers are too good to argue although I think he has a good team as well, people just keep trying to make excuses as to why certain people havnt reached the top yet and just dont want to admit that they cant do it. Im a carter fan and he hasnt done it yet but I admit it, I dont make excuses.
melo, this thread is about the clerical errors of votes, not what they should have been.'But while we're on that topic, you say that Nash's team is half of what Nash is, but Nash is half of what his team is. Despite a stacked team, when he's on the bench everybody on that team becomes worthless.
Wow. thats really messed up. Has this been reported to the NBA or one of those guys up there yet? They needa fix this sh*t up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 13 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I get it, you don't think Amare should be there, whatever. :brucelee:</div>So what your saying is Amare did better than LeBron James? This is bull sh*t.PG -- NashSG -- BryantSF -- JamesPF -- DirkC -- DuncanThats the 1st team, I'm sick of hearing about this first team and 2nd team bull sh*t too. I hope James just goes off against Detroit and shuts everyone up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 15 2007, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>melo, this thread is about the clerical errors of votes, not what they should have been.'But while we're on that topic, you say that Nash's team is half of what Nash is, but Nash is half of what his team is. Despite a stacked team, when he's on the bench everybody on that team becomes worthless.</div>Because theyve gotten so use to him trying to do everything, they got used to the way he plays ball, and who is there backup? A nobody, as to where you take someone like Jason Kidd who actually does everything for his team, because he has to. Im not taking away from nash's game becasue he is good, I just think everybody gives him way to much credibility especially how we has had the teams with dallas and phoenix, 2 mvp and has gotten no where, kidd has been to the finals twice with no where near the teams nash has had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (melofan15 @ May 15 2007, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because theyve gotten so use to him trying to do everything, they got used to the way he plays ball, and who is there backup? A nobody, as to where you take someone like Jason Kidd who actually does everything for his team, because he has to. Im not taking away from nash's game becasue he is good, I just think everybody gives him way to much credibility especially how we has had the teams with dallas and phoenix, 2 mvp and has gotten no where, kidd has been to the finals twice with no where near the teams nash has had.</div>It's because the Eastern Conference was no where near the Western Conference. Who did Kidd lose to? The Western Conference champion. Who did Nash lose to? The Western Conference champion. How many series wins does Kidd have while playing in the superior conference? 0 Nash does more for his team than any other point guard out there. They have talent, but the only guy who can do anything offensively without him is Amare and without him and a couple more injuries they still went to the WCF last year. Kidd is a better defender, but Nash is a much more clutch player and shooter. They are the two best PG's in the league, but Nash is better now. I say Kidd has had the better career because of his overall play unless Nash can win a couple championships.Oh, I see you're a Nets fan....well that doesn't mean much since I'm a Suns fan...
Oh no, a bitter Cavs fans sighting who will most likely trash Nash in this thread. Edit: NM, he's gone. Edit2: I'm going to have to start saving some of my posts because it seems like every 3 months I say the same thing to a new person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 16 2007, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's because the Eastern Conference was no where near the Western Conference. Who did Kidd lose to? The Western Conference champion. Who did Nash lose to? The Western Conference champion. How many series wins does Kidd have while playing in the superior conference? 0 Nash does more for his team than any other point guard out there. They have talent, but the only guy who can do anything offensively without him is Amare and without him and a couple more injuries they still went to the WCF last year. Kidd is a better defender, but Nash is a much more clutch player and shooter. They are the two best PG's in the league, but Nash is better now. I say Kidd has had the better career because of his overall play unless Nash can win a couple championships.Oh, I see you're a Nets fan....well that doesn't mean much since I'm a Suns fan... </div> honestly I didnt like Kidd before Carter got into New Jersey, Ive always been more of a Denver fan but im a HUGE Carter fan so I always went for who he played for, but I have a new found respect in Kidd. Ill give you that Nash is a better scorer but I think that all that he has goin for him on kidd. Kidd has less around him, and yet kidd has points, assists, rebounds, and defense. But this will just be an ongoing battle so we might as well just put it to rest now, KIDDS BETTER :beee:
The only thing that got to me was that Garnett got third team.22,13, and 5 v.s Bosh's 23,11, and 3...while blocking less shots, and getting less steals. All the main categorys. Given Toronto had a surprising year, these are individual awards. KG had less help.On a side note, given the way Garnett's career is going, he will go down as the most underrated player of all-time.
About the whole Kidd/Nash debate...Nash could not play for a more perfect team in the world than Phoenix. Kidd would help more team out than Nash would given Kidd is a triple double threat every game, but Phoenix needs someone to push the ball, shoot a good percentage, and distribute. Those three things are perhaps the only things Nash does better than Kidd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (melofan15 @ May 15 2007, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare on the first team? Talk about giving something handed to you, although I think he had a good year, no where near that, I think all the teams they named were terrable, this is how I thought It shouldve went.1st teamGuard- KobeGuard- Kidd(forget Nash, look at this mans numbers and with a lesser team, Triple double, count em up)Forward - LebronForward- DirkCenter- Duncan(thats what he plays)2nd TeamGuard-Nash(people dont realize his team is half of what he is)Guard- CarterForward- Carmelo(if full season, he should be first team)Forward- Chris boshCenter- Amare(im stretching it to put him here)3rd teamGuard- Billups(wade wasnt the same this year, arenas was to up and down)Guard- McGrady(arenas is to up and down, and wade wasnt the same)Forward- Boozer( Very impressive this year, when he played he was a beast)Forward- GarnettCenter- Camby( defensive player of the year, Yao got blocked by nate robinson, he shouldnt play again, hes pathetic in my mind)People base these teams off the wrong things. I base them off of who was more important and how well they did, considering what they have around them. Nash has to much around him to say that, people who say he doesn't are just dumb, same with dirk and Amare. Kidd had jefferson who was out half the time and carter. Kobe although he was spectatcular also didnt have a team and made the playoffs, Duncan plays tremendous and though he has a team he will make any team a playoff team in my mind, and lebrons numbers are too good to argue although I think he has a good team as well, people just keep trying to make excuses as to why certain people havnt reached the top yet and just dont want to admit that they cant do it. Im a carter fan and he hasnt done it yet but I admit it, I dont make excuses.</div>ROFL Kidd first team WOW you really need to get of the good stuff your on. LOLAnd Yao deff over Camby what are you thinking? lolAI should have made it 3rd team LOCK. This is like if he was not invited to a all star team this was a huge snub.
