2018 Around the NBA - October

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  1. Labinot41

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    I know
     
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    Klay plays defense, you know lol
     
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    You do realize that going into tonight Klay was shooting under 40% from the field, 13.9% on 3 pointers, 41.9 eFG%, 7.9 PER, 45.2 TS%, and negative WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, and VORP. Before tonight GS fans were saying the same things we were saying about CJ that he sucks and they should trade him.
     
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    Or so the myth says he does.
     
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    CJ is not better than Klay. Cmon.
     
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    If Klay takes better shots why are their career shooting percentages and advanced shooting stats pretty much exactly the same?
     
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    I bet every othef WC matchup on NBA.TV will.be the Fakers.
     
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    This is an argument from the CJ thread in which I specifically said I'd take Klay but if you look at their stats they are virtually the same player except that CJ is the better passer.
     
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    Stop it, you Inciteful Factmonger!

    Personally, I'd trade CJ for Victor, but Indy never would.
     
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    Curious if a single GM would take CJ over Klay. Maybe a couple. Klay is bigger and plays much better defense. I doubt Klay has any 5-25 games either but I’m not sure.
     
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    What I would like to see is a poll of NBA coaches as to who they would rather have on their team. My gut feeling is CJ doesn't win that one, though I would be hard pressed to explain exactly why.
     
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    What the fuck did I just say? I'm NOT saying CJ is better than Klay but you guys act like Klay is this great shooter when his shooting stats are the same as CJ's and he gets way more open looks. His defense is vastly overrated too. He is bigger sure.

    Klay did shoot 5-20 in a game this season already, I don't have time to go back any further. My whole point about Klay is that CJ haters thought he was a way better passer and shooter but he isn't. People are being blinded by their CJ hate.
     
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    I've said multiple times that I would still take Klay but the numbers are way closer than people give CJ credit for. I'm curious what Klay's numbers would be like if he was on say the Knicks this season.
     
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    30/game.
     
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    LOL. Top 3 all time
     
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    So is CJ top 10 of all time then?

    Edit: Nevermind can we please not start a 47th different discussion about this same topic?
     
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    He doesn't have any 5-25 games, but he has had several sub-par games the last 2 years (sub par being sub 40%), tho CJ has had more. But it's easier for teams to collapse on CJ (and Damian) than it is for them to collapse on Klay.

    in 17-18, CJ had 29 games where he shot below 40%, Klay had 17.
    in 16-17, CJ had 20, Klay had 20.

    Prior to tonights outburst, Klay was shooting 14% from 3 this year (CJ was shooting 40%).

    But part of the issue is, CJ doesn't have Durant and Curry to keep defenders from doubling him. You give this team another 20+ scorer, who actually can create for himself, and I bet Damian and CJ would see their #'s go up. Not on par with Klay or Curry though.
     
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    No. He isn’t.

    As a shooter, Klay is one of the best all time. If you don’t agree or think CJ is as good because of stats then ok.
     
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    Milwuakee just beat Toronto. Without Giannis.

    Toronto is NOT for real. :MARIS61:
     
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    I’ll never understand the reasoning behind a player having certain numbers on bad teams vs good teams. You can argue it both ways to fit your preferred narrative.

    A guy scores 30 for a bad team = no one else is any good he has to score (Kevin Love in MN)
    A guy scores 30 on a good team= the defense focuses on other players so he’s open (Klay)

    It’s the dumbest argument.
     
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