2018 Around the NBA - October

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    Without Giannis, that is a big win. They seem to have improved.
     
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    If you're addressing my post, that wasn't my argument. But you're telling me that if CJ was on the Warriors, his opportunities wouldn't improve? Or if the Blazers didn't play with such a poor bench (the last two years) and had a legit 3rd threat on offense, that CJ and Damians %'s wouldn't improve?

    That's exactly what happened against the Pelicans in the playoffs. The Blazers had zero players who were serious threats on the floor, meaning that the Pelicans were able to double Damian, basically nullifying him. That wouldn't happen if they had a 3rd star on the team.
     
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    Minny beat the L*kers. LOVE IT.
     
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    The bad team big numbers arguement is usually more so about how effective a player is at getting wins. Love for example had bad team mates sure, but never led MN to winning anything it was empty stats. Dame for example has had mediocre talent for the most part but wills his team to wins , big difference.

    No ones saying Klay is a bad player, but Klay is GS’s third option the last few years, and has been on stacked teams (He’s part of the stack!) , he never gets doubled, he never gets trapped. That is in fact much different defenses he’s facing compared to other similar SG’s in the nba right now.
     
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    No Kawhi for Toronto.
     
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    But if he’s on a bad team it’s a bad team. How does one guy make a team win like Love in MN. So he scored a gazilion points and fans are like “of course nobody on the team is any good he has to score”. Then they say “He can’t help them win more games” Its crazy. Is the team bad or good but losing anyway?
     
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    In general I absolutely agree with you, but it's not always actually dumb, you have to figure in efficiency.

    A guy scores 30 for a bad team AND ISN'T EFFICIENCY = no one else is any good he has to score
    A guy scores 30 on a good team WHETHER EFFICIENT OR NOT= the defense focuses on other players so he’s open
     
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    If CJ was on the Warriors would he score more? Less? He’d be “more open” but he’d be sharing scoring with a bunch of all stars. The pointless argument goes round and round. I judge based on my own two eyes. Not saying I’m right but I would take Klay over CJ due to defense and size. And he’s an elite shooter.
     
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    I would take Klay too, but defenses don't concentrate on him like they do CJ or Damian. I'm not saying that CJ's numbers would be the same, but it does make a difference how the defenses play you.
     
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    Fun fact LAL:
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    2017-18 season - started season 2-5
     
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    If CJ were on the Warriors, Durant, Curry, Klay and anyone else that wanted to shoot would score less. CJ would still get his. :cheers:
     
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    Warriors 92 points in a half a record?
     
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    So bad teams haven't been carried by one good player before? Lebron took some pretty bad teams to the finals. Dame has carried some bad teams to the playoffs. Wade carried some bad Miami teams to the playoffs. It happens quite frequently where a guy is so good he gives his team a chance to win on almost any night. Some guys aren't that though, they get their stats on bad teams, but it doesn't do much in terms of wins and losses. I'm not making the claim that oh KL scored a bunch because no one else is any good and he had to score. I'm making the claim that KL wasn't good enough to put his teams in position to win on a nightly basis, superstars can get you there pretty regularly. KL wasn't a superstar.

    In how it pertains to Klay vs CJ. The defense's play Klay straight up, every night, they don't key in on him. Defenses key in on CJ on basically a nightly basis. It's not saying Klay sucks, or he only scores so much because of the way the defense plays him. It's saying they're getting completely different looks. Even tonight watch the 14 three's he's not being trapped, he's got one guy guarding him straight up on basically all of them. In fact at least 5 of them were wide freaking open. CJ doesn't get that many open shots. What's crazy is that even after it became obvious they were trying to get him records chicago still never tried to double him or anything. It was just wave at him while he shoots. Part of what makes that seem so freaking good is you literally can't double off anyone or you'll get smoked by guys like Klay. It's not a knock on Klay.
     
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    Wow. Luka Doncic put up 31 points, 8 rebounds and four assists.... :blink: Shit. I didn't think he'd adapt that fast. He isn't the greatest athlete in the world.
     
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    4 wins, 3 losses.
    #IsSacTown4realz???
     
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    They said that about Larry Bird too!
     
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    LBJ 2-5 without Lue.
    Lue 0-6, and then fired without LBJ.

    There's gotta be a meme there.
     
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    Bad day to be a head coach of a Cleveland Pro team.

    Watch out, Francona.
     
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    I'm still pissed at Atlanta and the Kings for fucking it up and letting Dallas get Luka. First Dirk now Luka. Not fair.
     
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