Politics Being a F***ed Up Hate Crime-r isn't cut-and-dried

First, I was unaware that you or the President were the authority on "claiming" anything. To that point, though, which of the direct quotes from the Chief of the NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force, or the video footage from the local NBC news affiliate, or the police reports linked to in the article, are you saying are false or skewed and unworthy of discussion? Especially since it challenges one of your deeply held views, shared with noted Political Science guru Don Lemon?

 

I was quoting the response to the OP, not your newest post. But yours is another example of what I was hoping came out of the OP...messed-up people with messed-up ideologies and worldviews do this, and it's a disservice (and won't get better) by making it into a race/gender issue, which is the book definition of "racism" and "sexism".

I am, of course, biased, but I would submit that Lanny, Marazul and I (for 3) are not any more likely to be terrorists than dviss and barfo. And just because a black male from Brooklyn was the culprit in this case of hate crimes doesn't mean that black males are now the biggest Jewish threat. I understand that in general, humans try to understand their world by grouping, but the OP was meant to show that not only is this wrong, it's dangerous--especially among you of the protected racial and gender groups. And especially if you don't pick up on the fact that the "statistical outliers" tend to blow up the trendlines that you're espousing anyway.

 

Sure, granny could be a terrorist. That's why we pat her down at the airport.

That doesn't mean we can't make the observation that Nazis tend to act like Nazis.

And I note that in the OP you lumped everyone at Charlottesville who wasn't a Nazi in with antifa.

barfo

 

That wasn't the observation. Lemon's (and that of many on here) observation is that white men are the biggest terrorist threats, and that it's Trump and the whiteys (paraphrased) that are anti-Semites. The OP blew up that narrative. So instead of agreeing and changing it, you (among others) are doubling down and trying to parse words. It's not that tough.

Nope, you're reading your bias into that. It's neither what I wrote nor meant.

 

You give yourself way too much credit here, Brian.

You knew what you were saying, so of course it was clear to you. I found it a bit incomprehensible, towards the end.

You implied it, when you said that Trump said that there were fine people in antifa.

barfo

 

Well, there's you who says that, and people like the Chief of the Hate Crimes Task Force and the NYT author who point out you're wrong. I wholeheartedly understand if it doesn't matter to you that the narrative is being proven false, but that doesn't mean in isn't so.

If confused, you can always ask, instead of attempting to manufacture a "gotcha". I'm pretty open about what I write. In this particular case, towards the end (I'm assuming this is what you mean, since it was the climax of the post...)
If they (meaning the hate-crime purveyors) can be rounded up and prosecuted, great. But even if they can't, getting more of you to start to invoke the dialogue that it's not about racism or misogynism or anti-semitism or jihadi-ism or whatever...there will be benefit from it." I stand by that, and with the news that's come out since the OP, it's only been more confirmed through anecdotes.

Once again, your reading of implications and intent is biased and not what was written or meant.

 

I guess it's not universal, though. I'll try again.
"Which of the direct quotes from the Chief of the NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force, or the video footage from the local NBC news affiliate, or the police reports linked to in the article, are you saying are false or skewed and unworthy of discussion?"

 

No one here had a 'narrative' about the avowed group membership of those who committed hate crimes against Jews in NYC during whatever time period the chief was talking about. That seems like a strawman.

What gotcha did I attempt to manufacture?

Yes, I meant towards the end of the post.

That seems like nonsense to me, so maybe you do need to explain it better. Hate crimes aren't about hate? Or are you saying there is no such thing as a hate crime - that there is just a lot of completely random violence?

Well, if you can show that Trump meant antifa when he said fine people on both sides, then I'll accept your biased interpretation.

barfo