The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

One is a defensive specialist and one is an offensive specialist. Let's be honest, CJ isn't exactly a lockdown defender either.

 

Three of the five guys on the second unit aren’t good defenders, yet they’ve somehow survived. I wouldn’t worry about it.

 

Good effort isn't contagious as much as bad effort. And it'd be a mistake to think the old, washed up player who has never been a good defender even though he's played for 4 different teams is all of a sudden going to improve defensively. He's declined as an athlete and he gives no effort. He's not going to change.

 

Let be realistic we are not going to go after him. Plus last game he play for Houston he brick everything and did not bother to play defense. Maybe he was telling Houston that he didn't like his role or maybe he just don't got it anymore. Me I wouldn't take that chance especially due to we are finally playing has a team.

 

Alright, let's talk about offense then. Melo isn't good at playing without the ball, and his spot-up shooting has cratered. He also isolates way too much. Turner needs the Ball to be effective, and finally is because he's surrounded by good shooters that play well without the ball. Melo wouldn't fit offensively, and he'd screw up that entire unit.

 

The people who complain about CJ's game want Melo... smh. I don't understand.

 

This new and improved thread with added fiber is at page 459. Not sure how you got it to look like 90?

 

You can switch how many posts per page. I like to keep it at 20 so that I can read some posts on the longer thread and then come back to where I left off easier. Many people like to have the biggest number though.

 

If we had a defensive minded point guard, I would be fine with CJ.

Let's say Evan Turner was our starting point guard. I would be totally okay with CJ.

The problem is not so much CJ as it is Dame AND CJ. They have similar strengths and similar weaknesses.

 

Is Layman a more efficient scorer than Lillard? He’s got a higher TS%.

That stat should be considered, in context.

Layman is good, in theory. He’s hardly proven. Maybe he does better if given the opportunity, but maybe he doesn’t. Give me the proven guy that other teams respect accordingly instead.

And the minutes issue has already been discussed in this this thread. Leonard and Biggie have made up for about 20 minutes the last couple of games. Stagger the rest and you got 25 minutes for Melo.

 

Oh i see. So it's a page function? I guess i'm out of the loop on that.
Well then yes. It will be a while for him. Though at the rate this is going i wouldn't doubt it a bit.

 

If CJ was coming off the bench and making the minimum no one would complain.

 

Why is having 2 guards that are food at scoring a problem? I understand how having two bad defensive guards is a problem, but we were top 8 last year and we've improved this year (including Dame, who's about average now).

 

Yet, when C.J. plays with the bench, they still complain. So all the complaints about the way he plays are contract based? Weird.

Wanting Melo is ridiculous at this point. If a good team that lives big names doesnt want him on their team for the minimum after 10 games, why should we?

 

Not relevant to the discussion - I am not ignoring the context, I am showing that Layman is a lot more efficient than 'Melo playing the same role (complimentary scorer).

Melo has repeatedly proven in the previous years that he is not conductive to winning in the modern NBA - I am not sure why you insist on taking his proven scoring ability from 5 years ago but ignore his proven inefficiency in the last 3.

Biggie and Meyers have played 80 and 113 minutes in 13 games. That comes down to 14 mpg. Even if we assume that Moe is not coming back - all 3 of them played 20 mpg together. As we said, there are many instances where you need size / rebounding that Melo does not give you - so let's say 10 MPG. This leaves 10 MPG for another designated scorer on the 2nd unit. I still think I would rather give it to Jake and maybe the Rooks for their development.

 

Yeah, when he plays point guard with the bench, they complain. Reasonable, no?

 

Because he dominates the ball too much... But then they want Melo...

 

Melo wouldn't be playing point guard, no?

 

Scalma's argument for Melo is that he is efficient when the offense runs through him. I believe this is the context of this argument. Otherwise there is no argument because he has failed as a complimentary scorer in both OKC and HOU

 

And the offense doesn't need to move through him all the time. That's the beauty of not really needing him. If he's playing like shit, you just don't pass him the ball. If he has it going, you feed him.