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I wish I was that flexible. I'd be a porn star.

Agreed. I actually think it started back during Obama's presidency, but of course every Liberal disagrees with that, so...

I think, however, that if it's something we can ALL agree on: politics is very poisonous in general. And I don't anticipate it getting any better anytime soon.

 

Okay great Chris so when I insulted dviss last night, my excuse is hey it’s coming from a taste of your own medicine type deal and that makes it okay because the same few people on here love making snarky ass comments that are in that ever so popular gray area.

This is why I don’t agree with you being a mod. What an insane post. You make excuses for him saying people just attack him all the time? Uh where? What racist has existed here? To say racist things you must be a racist so where are these people?

 

Holy shit you doubled down. Great job Chris.

 

I suspect that this is a language thing. The "y'all need to" construct seems like it lumps people that are not with people that are and people that are indifferent - which I am sure is not your intention.

 

Where are any of you getting this idea that I want a place of suppression? Go ahead and keep it the same, I don’t care. I was just voicing my opinion. It’s never changed every time I have voiced it, I don’t expect it to this time. I just find the hypocrisy mind numbing. Let’s all make blanket statements then and it will all be okay. Nobody will be held accountable. Just keep baiting and making those statements. Then play dumb about it

 

I don't see people dying their hair gray much...I'm totally gray on top and never get a compliment

 

Do you watch the WWE? I think you'd make a great CM Punk.

 

I have found the best policy is always to just ban yourself...in the end it all comes down to choices. There's no excuse for baiting anyone when the forum software has a mute button...use it..if a member is attached to an argument carry it out via pm and not in public threads...my 2 cents...these days I just don't pay that much attention to any of it

 

You are missing my point and its right there in bold. They aren't my racists any more than they are yours. Racism comes from more than just white people. And when you lump me in with them, I stop listening to you.
It only upsets me because I consider you a friend.. that's the only reason.

Its not that I don't care anymore about THE cause, its not caring about YOUR cause because you insist on lumping all white people into one lump sum, which is a huge issue with white racists who lump all blacks into one sum. Its not white privilege, its being impartial.

I have no room for hatred, bigotry or racism in my life. period.

I also cant stand people who don't use blinkers, but I don't think I can get people to start using blinkers by lumping all drivers into one sum.
Maybe not the best analogy, but as long as you lump us white people all into one category, I really don't care if you think my response is because of white privilege.

I read somewhere where you said something like all republicans are racist or support a racist or something? Also not true and also generalizing. The very thing that causes more dissention.

This is no better than Antifa calling anyone who is a republican a nazi.
Its simply not factually true and does nothing to help the cause. It hurts the cause.


The others above are right in this fact.

You get more flies with honey than with vinegar. You will make it further in getting your point across if you don't pin everyone white as having an issue. because we don't all have issues.

Some blacks have issues. You don't see anyone on this forum saying D, you need to get your folk in line. You need to stop this cop hating( another thing that frustrates me about something you said about cops and cop supporters.)

You toss out generalizing statements that encompass many who shouldn't be in that statement.

I can only assume that when you say yall need to fix these people, you are speaking to me and every other White person. How exactly do you propose I do this? As if I have some power over other whites state of mind and can control them to stop their racist behavior?
I can only do what you advocate, which is speak up when it happens.

Well i'm doing that now and racism comes in more forms than just whites hating on blacks.

Just to be clear, I dont think you are calling all White people racist. I think you are saying its all White people's problem that there is racism when it isn't. Just like it isn't every Black person's problem.


When you say these things, I cant help but feel like you think I have some direct influence on the KKK or something.

Yes, I agree that it goes further to have White people speak up against racism than it does Blacks or any other minority, but that doesn't mean that we are all part of the problem if we aren't out marching 24/7.

I mean really, what more would you like to see done from the White people on this forum that aren't bigots or racists? Other than speaking up when we see it, what else do you advocate we do, so we know and can start doing it so you stop lumping us all together?

Let's put it another way. IF you had a brother who was a drug addict who stole for his fix, I could then say you need to fix yall thieves, right? I know that's over the top, but its still the same generalization that you are exhibiting when you say yall white people....

Please just think about what I am saying. When EVER has fighting fire with fire put the fire out?

 

Okay by me. I get edited or deleted often enough and I don't even consider it a big deal. What's all the beef about?

 

The country is going to shit because we are losing the ability to compromise and exercise tolerance for opposing opinions and stances.

Politics were built on debating and republicans and democrats once had respect for each other and would share drinks together in the evening while debating during the day. Now they debate during the day and plot bad things at night.

 

That’s because it’s the ideology that goes on in this state. There is a reason this place is antifas home now. It’s the stupid ideas that go around here.

I’m glad I was raised to look at people for who they are, not their color. Doesn’t matter to me, if you’re black saying racist shit, you probably suck. If you’re white saying racist shit, you probably suck. It’s equal. This whole idea that goes around that a certain race can’t be racist because another holds more power is insane ideology. Dviss has certainly said racist shit whether he wants to admit it or not but he hide some it behind the typical victim, “people have been racist to me” mentality. So that makes it okay? Only time I saw somebody get racist in this forum was one time and guess what? He got banned. I looked at what he was saying like damn that’s a big oof right there, he’s gonna get banned, and it happened. This whole idea some racists still exist here is ridiculous.

But that’s what creates the division. When you sit and tell this crowd on the right, “omg that’s racist” then I look at what was said and it really wasn’t, unfortunately the word racist has been diluted. You can be racist for anything now because society hasn’t overused the word. Kind of like how nazi is being thrown around now. People sitting there telling me I’m from damascus as if it’s a negative? That’s divisive. Like fuck I’m not even on the right and just because my opinion is different I am getting this shit thrown in my face. It’s crazy.

 

What posts do I need to clean up? I got it out of my system last night, those we’re the only rule breaking posts I had and I don’t care to do it again. I’m just speaking my mind, something you allow other forum members to do, shit some go all caps and create more division. I’m just talking.

 

Comparing the members in here with ANTIFA is just wrong. It would be similar to comparing the Right wingers in here with Nazis. I would never even consider lumping you with any of those fools.
The whole racism thing has been pretty one sided. Maybe not entirely one sided but lopsided nevertheless. Try driving home at night and getting stopped on flimsy excuses several times. Try getting stared at in the store because you are suspected of being a candidate for shoplifting. Try getting the cold shoulder from people because they don't like your looks. Black-Americans get this treatment with regularity while you and I don't. I suspect you have no idea the crap those folks have to put up with.

 

And it's BOTH sides. I'll be the first to admit that a gun forum is not the most open-minded place to be. Even worse when you include conspiracies about the Las Vegas shooting and other mass shootings.

I even called out a member this week for being openly racist. Saying things like blacks need to be driven from power, white people are oppressed (we're NOT), and that black people would be in prison if it wasn't for athletics and athletic ability. And I've put a notice to the mods to keep an eye on him and his behavior. It's quite alarming and very disturbing.

But that's NOT most gun owners, and it's NOT most Republicans.

I imagine it's much the same way in a place like Lipstick Alley and DU. But that doesn't justify any of it at all, regardless of which side it is.

I had someone, several people actually, on GlockTalk tell me just last week that there is no such thing as a Moderate anymore; that both sides have drawn battle lines.

I don't think that's true. But I do think there needs to be more moderate people on both sides.