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I have no idea who OB voted for - but if you guys think you are friends and he tells you that this is an issue he has - this is something to consider.

I can assure you that the first time I read the "y'all white people" sentence I cringed as well - and I did not vote for Mr. Trump. Now, my guess from the context of reading this forum for a while was that you were not trying to lump everyone together - but the sentence sure read like it to me.

Common sense says that racists of any kind will not take the word of people they are prejudiced against - there is no argument about that.

The argument is that using a language that can be read as if it lumps people together - even if that's not your intention - can cause alienation - this is all OB and I have said.

 

Call them out LOUDLY. Be Jane Elliott:

Ask the ones who stay silent this:



Hold workshops like this:



Join organizations like Resolutions Northwest who's mission is:

We facilitate honest dialogue to resolve conflict and advance racial & social justice. We provide training & consultation. We build skills & capacity.

That's just a start.

 

No. For two reasons.
I dont know for a fact it was racially motivated. I dont know who actually called it in and i have many neighbors.
I assume that it was racially motivated, but without some proof or evidence i find it wrong to pass jusgment without knowing everything.

Do i have a gut feeing it was racially motivated? Yes.
But thats my opinion. Not fact.

Wouldnt i look pretty stupid if i called it in and the cops said the call in was becasue a cement truck was seen and they were concerned about additional structures? Especially since they had been working on my house since march as a small crew for a while and wxpanded the crew on e we started working on the exterior and no one called in until then?

See i believe everyone can have opinions and feelings and thats everyones right. But we cant pass judgement on our feelings without some proof.

 

How do you know these things or similiar things arent already being done by forum members outside of the forum?

 

I've never once insinuated this. There are many people that voted for him that aren't.

 

I needed to back up a bit. I get too involved in this shit. This is why I stay away from the nonsense. I would like to participate in positive OT conversations but unfortunately those are rare. Fuck the politics and all that. Yes though, my fault for responding to dviss, my fault for entertaining it. I had a choice, one I usually make in real life and that’s usually to just stay the fuck out of it because it’s just a waste of time and not worth it. I got involved though last night and today. Maybe I was feeling froggy or some shit last night and got riled up. That’s on me. I will always speak my opinion and I still hold my opinions here but maybe it’s best if I just don’t share them here because they are clearly unwanted. My intention wasn’t trying to get some rule made or anything, honestly I just wanted some to see the hypocrisy and irony in some of the shit that goes on here and maybe take that into account. That’s all. Dviss won’t see this but I’m sorry dviss for saying shit last night you may or may not have seen. That was unfair of me to call you certain things regardless of our past. I have tried to reason with you many times before and have conversations, you have let it be known you don’t want to so nothing I can do there.

Chris, I’m sure you do a lot behind the scenes, I wasn’t trying to offend you, I get frustrated though at times with how the OT section is today compared to pre trump and the hysteria around the presidency.

Sly, I appreciate you actually trying to have a conversation with me last night as I have felt for a while you haven’t cared to do that with me since all that shit went down. I’m not trying to say mods here are bad or anything, there are just frustrations that exist still.

 

I can easily talk a racist black person down of the ledge.

I do it all the time.

 

I don't. But neither do you and that resolutions northwest is something I've been a part of for years.

None of y'all are there..

 

I never implied otherwise. I was just trying to be helpful to show you why there might be some misconstruction of your posts.

 

You can’t talk racists off the ledge. Give me a break. Dude comes in here and now we are talking about racism again.

 

Exactly this.

I was soo torn during voting and it had nothing to do with race. My fear was trump would run foreign affairs into the ground and isolate us from the rest of the world.
My fear of Hilary was more expansion of our government helping people i dont feel need help.
Im against universal health care. I dont feel i should be responsible for someone else health issues if they choose to eat doritos and watch soaps on the couch all day. That is thier choice and im not wanting to give up one penny of my hard earned money to pay for thier impending health issues.

So my voting was more conflicted than it ever has been in the past aNd it had nothing to do with race.

 

That duck had feathers, a bill, quacked, waddled, then stuttered when he told you his name was Daffy...

 

I don’t know how you do it. This is a dude that’s been to your house and treated like a friend. If that person questioned me like this, man that’s not a friend. This is somebody looking for an issue. You or I as white people will never be doing enough for him. We could show up to dumb events even if we don’t have to and that still wouldn’t be enough. This is about control and power over you, it’s not about common ground.

 

But thats my point. You dont know. I dont know. Nobody knows but yet you come at us like you know we just sit and let racism happen aNd are okay with it.

 

Disagree, common sense says white racists don't care about what anyone has to say.

I can use a discussion I had yesterday with my biological father as proof.

Spoiler

We were at/leaving Lowes and he mentioned how the cashier struggled with basic change. Even though the machine told them what to give out.
Said it was because black people are stupid.
I told him his ex(my mother) struggles with basic math so clearly struggling with math isn't based off the color of your skin.
He said. 'You know Brandon, I know you're a ___ lover. But nothing you say will change my opinion on those people. They're just stupid.'

Yeah I'm not in Oregon right now.

There isn't a magical cure that if white people call out racists, racism will end.
Changing hearts and minds isn't magical, it takes time.

When people say. 'all x people'.
That time is increased because if there is a white racist willing to listen. They are alienated by words like that.
Just like black people where alienated when white people said. 'You people need to fix your x problem.'

 

My mom did her part by getting herself out of the deep south during the 50s & 60s without racial bias and eventually raised her boys to respect all people regardless of their race.

I do my part with my friends, family and loved ones. That's how we begin to make a change. With those around us. Those we care about and love.

You can educate and show a person how they can change, but that person must want to change in order to make it happen.

 

I appreciate your question, thank you. And thank you for addressing it respectfully.

I admit that I was apprehensive about how he would do. So I made a promise to myself to give him at least 2 years, maybe 3, before making up my mind about how he's doing.

As I have said before: I don't agree with everything he's said and done. And if you think I've argued with Liberals on here about it, you should see the hours I've spent arguing about him on a Conservative gun forum. Where many of the members there think he can do no wrong, and blindly follow him with the classic "fake news" responses and other nonsense.

The list of things I have a grievance with him on I don't feel like listing at this time, but I have discussed them here in detail before. And I do agree with many on the Right that the media bias in this country has done him zero favors. They most certainly DO have an agenda, and in that sense it is indeed fake news.

But getting back to the original question: how much faith did I have in him? As I said, I was apprehensive, and since then he has done things I agree with, and others I don't. I suppose you could say that I'm about 60/40 in support of him. I do like how the economy is going since his tax reform, and I do like that he's loading up the courts with Conservatives. Now, you may not agree with that, and that is fine, but those are my views, and he is abiding by them, so I'm sure you can understand why I'm not complaining.

The biggest reason I voted for him, which I have also explained in the past, is that he's not a career politician. It was, in MY opinion, long past time to get rid of the elitist, smirking career politicians in power. The second-second/third reason(s) I voted for him was because his strong support of gun rights and his promise to load the courts up with Conservatives.

Surprisingly so, the last reason I voted for him was just to see the meltdown of SJWs and Liberals everywhere. And in that sense, it's been great. Sorry.

I agree that some of what he's said has been divisive, absolutely. I wasn't fond of that spat he had with that Hispanic judge in Chicago, and I wish like hell he would stay off of Social Media all together.

However, I'm not going to sit here and act like the elections was one-sided with divisive rhetoric. Hillary did PLENTY of her own despicable shit, which is half of the reason why she was completely unlikable. And just speaking for myself, when I hear Liberals hold Trump accountable for his divisive rhetoric during the elections....I NEVER hear them hold Hillary accountable for her words either.

I respectfully disagree. It was either him, Hillary, or Sanders. Sanders had a bat-shit crazy tax plan that would have utterly devastated this country, but....if the Democrat Party wasn't so unbelievably corrupt and arrogant, they would have nominated him, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, because I believe he would have won that election. How easily, I don't know.

The Green Party? Jill Stein? No way. This country had 8 years of an Activist president; they didn't need another one. She was a one-issue candidate with not enough support, and without issues that could relate to the general populace as a whole.

The Libertarians? Gary Johnson? From what little I've read, perhaps it would have been interesting. But full disclosure: I didn't pay much attention to him, or research his policies or viewpoints. I've only voted Libertarian once in my life: Bob Barr, and then decided that I wanted my vote to count, and that it wouldn't count if I voted for a candidate who was guaranteed not to win.

So I hope that answers some of your questions. And again, thank you for being respectful, even if you don't agree.