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Don't you believe it's pretty silly to think one party alone fixed or tanked the economy?

 

Respectfully, I hate how both sides do this... If it's bad while they're there it's because of the other side. If it's good it's because of them. Drives me kind of crazy. I don't like Trump like in the slightest, and I'm not saying HE deserves credit for anything good or bad, or whatever but it's always the same. This whole we take all the credit for everything good, and shift all the blame for all the bad, and vice versa thing just drives me nuts. Drove me nuts when it happened with Obama, Bush, and good Ole' Bill too.

 

Political bias is something I cannot get behind.

 

First off, thanks for what you said to your dad. Jesus, that had to be hard.

Second, no one's acting like there's some magical cure. Deep seated hatred is hard to combat. But we can look at our own country's history to see:

"Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

- MLK

There's no silver bullet.

 

Oh? Okay....then Bush can take credit for Obama's bail outs, or anything else that improved under Obama....which IMO, wasn't much.

We will indeed see. I don't pretend to have a crystal ball myself. But the economy and jobs report cannot be denied, and it's 2 years into his presidency. Even many Liberals acknowledge this.

Indeed, I've had numerous Conservatives tell me how much they're saving in taxes and how much better their tax returns are. And they aren't rich, either.

I consider putting Constitutional Conservatives, instead of Liberal Activists, on the Bench to be a huge accomplishment. But that's just me.

He's been very active at rallies and staying in touch with his base. There's also a website that lists his accomplishments, which I don't have in front of me at the moment, but it has a good, long list of things small and large.

But I doubt he'll get much done with the Democrat House stonewalling him for the next two years.

Again: good talking to you, and thank you again for being respectful. I'm off to watch the game. GO BLAZERS!

 

I apologize, I didn't see this, but I will try and respond later.

 

I think that the numbers show pretty clearly that the Obama administration's economic plan worked - there should really be no argument there.

The U.S National Bureau of Economic Research defines the great recession between December 2007 and June 2009. Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office. Given that he inherited a recession and after his 2 terms we had a fast growing economy is not something that can be debated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

The unemployment when he got into office was 7.9%, 4.8% when he left.

Now, under Trump unemployment continued to fall (we are at 4% now) - but the actual numbers seem smaller compared to Obama's last years - in 2016 there was 1.95M new jobs created, in 2017 there were only 1.7M new jobs created.

The great Republican economic rallying cry against Obama was the federal deficit - and it is absolutely true that he borrowed heavily to rebuild the economy, and for 4 years (his first term) - the deficit was over $1T. But, when he left office the deficit was $587B (Bush's last pre-recession deficit was $459B).

At the end of Trump's first year the deficit is at $666B - and I suspect it will grow even further with the new tax plan - so the so called Republican "fixes" to the economy show slowing gains and growth of the deficit (the big no-no the Republicans cried about).

There is certainly no doubt that he did not immediately muck it about and the GDP, market and unemployment trends continued - even if they were slower growth than before - but there are real concerns - the new tax plan is a great boon to the rich people - but the idea that the market and GDP will continue to grow at rapid pace to overcome the loss of federal income is questionable at best - the deficit is already growing under Trump and I would not be surprised if the deficit will continue to grow at a much higher pace now, despite the fact that we are in a strong economy.

There are also signs that we are at the start of a bear market already - https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/investing/stocks-bear-market-morgan-stanley/index.html - and this comes from financial analysts - not political ones.

 

Come on man. This place is merely a 2d version of ourselves. How i do it?
I do it easily because in getting to know D, i 100% believe he is a kind hearted human that means no harm or has hatred towards and group of people. I know he isnt racist.
I also know he has windows of this world im not able to see through.

All you have to do is watch him interact with his son. He gained my respect enough to want to log on and let him know as a friend i agree with his message but how he tries to get it out on here at times, hurts the message more than helps.

 

And see what i try to work on is the educational system.
Many people dont know that the constitution originally said one vote for every whole person and 3/5ths a vote for all others.
This was aimed at Blacks.
I was never taught this in school.
The glorification of some of the early Europian migrations is ridiculously appauling with the amount of hypocrisy that took place.

Im a believer that if we can teach the truths to the children, they will come to understand equality at an early age.
I think our educational system needs an upheaval when it comes to the curriculum of social studies and history classes. We must start with the truth. Only then can we atart to mend anything. But as long as we teach vague falsities to our children, they will continue to grow up with biases.

 

I agree with this as long as the children are taught objectively with perspectives from all sides. However, I've seen the material taught through only a Democratic or Republican lens (basically indoctrinating the children to the teacher's political beliefs).

Teach the children objectively and let them make up their own mind. Or ask the children to have a discussion with their parents and open their eyes even further to the real world.

 

I don't buy it. This dude could text you or some shit, have the conversation elsewhere. Maybe that's how you move, I don't know but with me and my small circle, I know where people stand and they know where I stand because there is trust and loyalty. He is sitting here questioning you like you owe him an answer. You don't. You can't enable behavior like that.

 

I would say in the way society is today, it's impossible because of social media and the internet.

 

The bailouts to the banks was originally a 3 page piece of legislation written by Merritt Paulson's (Timbers Owner) daddy Hank.

It was a piece of shit.

BUSH passed it. Not Obama.

Obama simply oversaw the 2nd part of the distribution of already written legislation.

Let's not rewrite history.

The stimulus package and the bank bailouts were two completely different things.

 

This. Black history is American History too.

It's why I don't subscribe to the definitions in those dictionaries.

 

He’s only level headed because he’s bald! #BAM