Politics Mueller says Manafort lied after pleading guilty, should be sentenced immediately

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    Prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III said Monday that Paul Manafort breached his plea agreement by lying repeatedly as they questioned him in the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Manafort denies doing so, and both sides agree that sentencing should be set immediately.

    The apparent collapse of Manafort’s cooperation agreement is the latest stunning turnaround in his case, exposing the longtime Republican consultant to more than a decade behind bars after pleading guilty in September on charges of cheating the Internal Revenue Service, violating foreign lobbying laws and attempting to obstruct justice.

    The court filing indicated Mueller’s team also had suffered a potential setback, after gaining access to a witness with potential knowledge of several key events relevant to the probe during his tenure with Trump’s campaign from March to August 2016, including a Trump Tower meeting attended by a Russian lawyer and the Republican National Convention.

    “After signing the plea agreement, Manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Special Counsel’s Office on a variety of subject matters, which constitute breaches of the agreement,” prosecutors wrote. “The government will file a detailed sentencing submission to the Probation Department and the Court in advance of sentencing that sets forth the nature of the defendant’s crimes and lies.”

    Prosecutors did not elaborate on areas where they contend Manafort lied.

    Manafort disputes that characterization; his attorneys write in the joint filing that he “has provided information to the government in an effort to live up to his cooperation obligations.”

    Manafort pleaded guilty on Sept. 14 days before trial in Washington, D.C., to two charges — conspiring to defraud the United States and conspiring to obstruct justice — admitting to years of financial crimes related to his undisclosed lobbying work for a pro-Russian political party and politician in Ukraine.

    Under an agreement with prosecutors, Manafort faces a maximum prison sentence of about 10 years, not counting a sentence for his August conviction in Virginia for bank and tax fraud. He was ordered to forfeit an estimated $15 million he hid from the Internal Revenue Service, but permitted to keep some property held with family members.

    Before the plea, Manafort’s defenders had long insisted that he would not cooperate with Mueller .

    But in plea papers, Manafort agreed to cooperate “fully and truthfully” with the investigation conducted by the office of special counsel, including participating in interviews and debriefings, producing any documents in his control, testifying, and agreeing to delay sentencing until a time set by the government.

    In return for his cooperation, Manafort hoped to have prosecutors recommend leniency, possibly slicing years off his term of incarceration.

    The filing came after Manafort talked in detail to prosecutors before his plea, and despite numerous visits by him and his lawyers since to prosecutors’ offices.

    Kevin Downing, an attorney for Manafort, said at the time of Manafort’s plea that it included a full cooperation agreement. “He wanted to make sure his family remained safe and live a good life,” Downing said outside the courthouse doors. “He has accepted responsibility.”


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    I'm sure Trump reached out and promised Manafort a pardon if he didn't cooperate.

    If Mueller can prove that, that is obstruction of justice.

    Manafort is still giving up the majority of his assets.

    If he had only followed the terms of his deal the state courts would have left him alone.

    Now NY is going to fuck him even if Trump pardons.

    Very interesting.
     
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    Mueller tried to scare Manafort into providing perjury to falsely incriminate the President, now he's trying to back out of the plea deal he offered as a carrot.

    Fail.
     
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    WTF? Mueller tried to scare Mueller? I assume you meant manafort and there was no scaring involved, just cold hard facts and the only one trying to back out of the deal is Manafort. Mueller is simply applying the law the way it should be. You agree to a deal and then lie, lock him up.
     
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    Yeah, I thought the same when I saw that nonsensical statement.
     
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    Never underestimate Mueller, if he wanted to scare himself he could.
     
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    Manafort's gonna get life and he deserves it.
     
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    There is a rumor going around that Manafort and Trump through their attorneys coordinated their stories so what Manafort told Mueller and the questions Trump answered in writing matched up.

    Mueller waited until after Trump submitted his homework to him to then disclose he knows Manafort (and Trump) are lying.
     
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    If it's "going around" surely you can provide a link? :dunno:
     
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    1. Manafort threatens legal action against Guardian after 'false, 'libelous' report he met Assange

      By Gregg Re | Fox News
      Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort suggested on Tuesday in a statement obtained by Fox News that he might bring legal action against The Guardian, after the newspaper published what he called a "totally false and deliberately libelous" report claiming that he met with Wikileaks head Julian Assange the same month he joined the Trump team.

      Manafort, who was convicted on unrelated tax and banking-fraud charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller earlier this year, unequivocally denied any connection to the secretive organization.

      “This story is totally false and deliberately libelous," Manafort said in the statement. "I have never met Julian Assange or anyone connected to him. I have never been contacted by anyone connected to Wikileaks, either directly or indirectly. I have never reached out to Assange or Wikileaks on any matter. We are considering all legal options against the Guardian who proceeded with this story even after being notified by my representatives that it was false.”

      "We are considering all legal options against the Guardian."

      — Paul Manafort
      WikiLeaks, which rocked the 2016 presidential election after posting hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign, also issued a fiery denial about the reported meeting with its founder.

      "@WikiLeaks is willing to bet the Guardian a million dollars and its editor's head that Manafort never met Assange," the group tweeted on Tuesday, prior to Manafort's statement.

      However, the Guardian report instantly fueled speculation about whether Mueller's probe had such information on Manafort -- a day after the team alleged he was lying to investigators in breach of his plea deal.

      The Guardian report cited "sources" saying Manafort saw Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London "in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016," with the latter meeting reportedly taking place "around March 2016." The Democratic emails were released months later.

      The Guardian report did not specify when in March 2016 Manafort allegedly met with Assange. Manafort joined the Trump campaign as convention manager on March 29, 2016, and later became campaign chairman.

      Press secretary Sarah Sanders says President Trump is not worried about Special Counsel Robert Mueller's final report because he knows there was no wrongdoing or collusion.

      A source close to Manafort and his attorney Kevin Downing told Fox News the report is “totally false.”

      “I don’t believe this is accurate,” another representative for Manafort told Fox News on Tuesday.

      Meanwhile, conservative author Jerome Corsi revealed Monday he plans to reject a potential deal with Mueller to plead guilty to perjury.
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    "I was proven wrong! Lets sue the people proving I lied!"

    - Trump handbook.
     
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    SOB! If you can't trust Manafort , who could you trust>>>>Trump ?
     
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    Manafort’s Lawyer Said to Brief Trump Attorneys on What He Told Mueller

    WASHINGTON — A lawyer for Paul Manafort, the president’s onetime campaign chairman, repeatedly briefed President Trump’s lawyers on his client’s discussions with federal investigators after Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, according to one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers and two other people familiar with the conversations.

    The arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with the special counsel’s office when prosecutors discovered it after Mr. Manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. Some legal experts speculated that it was a bid by Mr. Manafort for a presidential pardon even as he worked with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in hopes of a lighter sentence.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of the president’s personal lawyers, acknowledged the arrangement on Tuesday and defended it as a source of valuable insights into the special counsel’s inquiry and where it was headed. Such information could help shape a legal defense strategy, and it also appeared to give Mr. Trump and his legal advisers ammunition in their public relations campaign against Mr. Mueller’s office.

    For example, Mr. Giuliani said, Mr. Manafort’s lawyer Kevin M. Downing told him that prosecutors hammered away at whether the president knew about the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting where Russians promised to deliver damaging information on Hillary Clinton to his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. The president has long denied knowing about the meeting in advance. “He wants Manafort to incriminate Trump,” Mr. Giuliani declared of Mr. Mueller.

    While Mr. Downing’s discussions with the president’s team violated no laws, they helped contribute to a deteriorating relationship between lawyers for Mr. Manafort and Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors, who accused Mr. Manafort of holding out on them despite his pledge to assist them in any matter they deemed relevant, according to the people. That conflict spilled into public view on Monday when the prosecutors took the rare step of declaring that Mr. Manafort had breached his plea agreement by lying to them about a variety of subjects.

    Mr. Manafort’s lawyers insisted that their client had been truthful but acknowledged that the two sides were at an impasse. Mr. Manafort will now face sentencing on two conspiracy charges and eight counts of financial fraud — crimes that could put him behind bars for at least 10 years.

    Mr. Downing did not respond to a request for comment. Though it was unclear how frequently he spoke to Mr. Trump’s lawyers or how much he revealed, his updates helped reassure Mr. Trump’s legal team that Mr. Manafort had not implicated the president in any possible wrongdoing.

    Mr. Giuliani, who has taken an aggressive posture against the Russia investigation since Mr. Trump hired him in April, seized on Mr. Downing’s information to unleash lines of attack onto the special counsel.

    In asserting that investigators were unnecessarily targeting Mr. Trump, Mr. Giuliani accused the prosecutor overseeing the Manafort investigation, Andrew Weissmann, of keeping Mr. Manafort in solitary confinement simply in the hopes of forcing him to give false testimony about the president.

    But detention officials decide whether inmates serve in solitary confinement, according to law enforcement officials, and allies of Mr. Manafort have said he is there for his own safety.

    A spokesman for Mr. Mueller’s office declined to comment. Mr. Weissmann is a longtime senior Justice Department prosecutor who specializes in prosecuting financial crimes and turning defendants into cooperating witnesses. His aggressive nature has earned him two competing reputations: Prosecutors view him as a relentless investigator who has overseen some of the Justice Department’s most complex investigations, but some defense lawyers say he is overly combative and will bend the facts to gain a conviction.

    In his own recent Twitter attacks on the special counsel, the president seemed to imply that he had inside information about the prosecutors’ lines of inquiry and frustrations. “Wait until it comes out how horribly & viciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them refusing to lie,” Mr. Trump wrote on Tuesday.

    Earlier this month, he tweeted: “The inner workings of the Mueller investigation are a total mess. They have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts. They are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want.”

    Mr. Manafort’s legal team had long kept Mr. Trump’s lawyers abreast of developments in his case under a joint defense agreement. The president’s team has pursued such pacts as a way to monitor the special counsel’s inquiry. Mr. Giuliani said last month that the president’s lawyers had agreements with lawyers for 32 witnesses or subjects of Mr. Mueller’s 18-month-old investigation.

    Defense lawyers involved in investigations with multiple witnesses often form such alliances so they can share information without running afoul of attorney-client privilege rules. But when one defendant decides to cooperate with the government in a plea deal, that defense lawyer typically pulls out rather than antagonize the prosecutors who can influence the client’s sentence. For instance, a lawyer for the president’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn withdrew last year from such an agreement with Mr. Trump’s lawyers before pleading guilty to a felony offense and agreeing to help the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort’s lawyers, on the other hand, maintained their joint defense agreement with the president’s legal team even after Mr. Manafort pleaded guilty to two conspiracy counts in September and began answering questions in at least a dozen sessions with the special counsel.

    Even if the pact was mostly informal at that point, law enforcement experts said it was still highly unusual for Mr. Manafort’s lawyers to keep up such contacts once their client had pledged to help the prosecutors in hope of a lighter punishment for his crimes.

    Mr. Manafort must have wanted to keep a line open to the president in hope of a pardon, said Barbara McQuade, a former United States attorney who now teaches law at University of Michigan. “I’m not able to think of another reason,” she said.

    If Mr. Manafort wanted to stay on the prosecutors’ good side, “it would make no sense for him to continue to share information with other subjects of the investigation,” said Chuck Rosenberg, a former United States attorney and senior F.B.I. official. He added: “He is either all in or all out with respect to cooperation. Typically, there is no middle ground.”

    In another development on Tuesday, Mr. Manafort categorically denied a report in The Guardian claiming that he met with Julian Assange, the head of WikiLeaks, around the time he joined the Trump campaign in the spring of 2016. Mr. Mueller’s team has been investigating whether any associates of Mr. Trump conspired with Moscow’s operation to influence the presidential election with documents stolen from Democratic computers and distributed by WikiLeaks.

    “This story is totally false and deliberately libelous. I have never met Julian Assange or anyone connected to him. I have never been contacted by anyone connected to WikiLeaks, either directly or indirectly. I have never reached out to Assange or WikiLeaks on any matter,” Mr. Manafort said in a statement released by his spokesman. He said he was considering legal action against the newspaper. WikiLeaks said on Twitter that Mr. Assange planned to sue the newspaper for libel over the article, which The New York Times did not independently confirm.

    Last year, a lawyer for Mr. Trump broached the idea of presidential pardons to lawyers for both Mr. Manafort and Mr. Flynn as prosecutors were building cases against both men, according to people familiar with the conversations. The lawyer, John Dowd, who later resigned from the president’s team, denied ever raising the prospect of a pardon.

    But later, Mr. Giuliani suggested that Mr. Manafort and others might be eligible for pardons after Mr. Mueller’s inquiry ends, and the prospect has continued to hover over Mr. Manafort’s case. On Tuesday, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, said she had no knowledge of any conversations about a pardon for Mr. Manafort. A week ago, after months of negotiations, Mr. Trump provided written answers to some questions from Mr. Mueller.


    Some defense lawyers have suggested that prosecutors deliberately fashioned Mr. Manafort’s plea agreement to counter a possible pardon. In forcing Mr. Manafort to forfeit almost all of his wealth — including five homes, various bank accounts and an insurance policy — prosecutors specified that they could seize his assets under civil procedures “without regard to the status of his criminal conviction.”

    Harry Litman, a University of California, San Diego, law professor and a former deputy assistant attorney general, said that he had seen similar provisions in other cases. But other legal experts said it seemed tailor-made to ensure Mr. Manafort would lose much of his wealth, no matter what Mr. Trump did.

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    Geez!
    It is more than painful, that anyone should think our government should operate in this way. There is not a damn thing right with Mueller, and by that, I mean his function not the man. But then I think, dam! A Marine!
    The man has lost his fucking mind and now but a tool. Democrats being pleased though, while loathsome, is expected.
     
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    Sly, my friend, that is a very naive statement. There is no truth owed the man. He is tool of the Democrats, not accountable to the American people. There is no crime, he has no function. I can't believe an American let alone a Marine that can read the Constitution would take the job. He is a tool.
     
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    So you think Manafort is innocent? He didn't actually launder all that money? Didn't cheat on his taxes? Didn't defraud banks?

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    Mueller will not take any finding to trial, he does not have to power to do so. His only job is to attempt to make the President "look" bad. Smear I think is the proper word for his task.
    He is not accountable to anyone with out the Democrats screaming, Obstruction! He is not accountable to the Chief executive nor is he accountable to the American people as he is not elected.
    He is completely free to Smear as he sees fit, without ever being require to prove a dam thing.

    This is about as piss poor sort of process a devious man could think up. I am appalled with my countryman that find this is a valid due process. It isn't even close.
     
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