ASUFan in a PM asked why I hated the suns so this is what I said:Because every Suns fan thinks their team is the greatest in the universe and they can't be beaten when that is not true. They are not the best team in the league. They're maybe the 3rd best behind the Mavericks and Spurs. Also, they are using the style the Celtics used to win their titles and aren't even using it the right way. Mike D'Antoni is a sh*tty overrated trash coach and most of the players on the team wouldn't be good and wouldn't get as much praise if they were in another environment except for Nash, Marion and Stoudemire.To add to this: It also goes back to "The Greatest Game Ever Played" -- Game 5 of the 1976 NBA Finals..triple overtime..the shot that forced the third overtime "The Shot (Garfield) Heard Around The World"This team can't play defense and they don't utilize their bench correctly, playing with a 7/8 man rotation and leaving guys on the bench that deserve to play. Mike D'Antoni is a bad coach and I don't see how people haven't noticed. He was good in the Italian league but not in the NBA. He never had a winning season until he got Nash who was a star in the NBA already. Sorry but I just don't like the Suns at all and don't believe the hype. And this team isn't the end all of the NBA. Suns fans think everybody gets SO EXCITED to watch the Suns play and that the finals will suck without them. I'd much rather sit down and watch a San Antonio or a Detroit game than I would a Suns game. I just don't understand the love over the Suns. They're overrated and I love every minute of it seeing them eliminated from the playoffs year in and year out thinking they're the best team in basketball.Sorry if I offend any Suns fans who is probably gonna be 90% of the people who read this but I didn't know what other section to put it in. Just figured I'd let you know why I hate the Suns.
You don't have to explain that to them because honestly they can say and think whatever they want but until they get over the hump and actually get into the NBA Finals there just going to be considered just another team that just always does good every season but chokes when it matters.
Didn't you guys win the greatest game ever?You are one of the few who think that about the Finals. Check out the rating for this year, it's going to be pretty funny. I bet the Suns Lakers and Suns Spurs will have far better ratings. I'd like to compare them. The Suns fill up other team's arenas when they come, kind of like Kobe Bryant does, so yes people do want to see it.They actually do play defense, learn more about the team before you say this stuff about them. And they have been steadily improving it each year he has been there.You are right about the bench.They are overrated....no one on ESPN picked them over the Spurs and most picked the Mavs over them last year I believe. The fans and the media thinks of them as a top 4 team each year and that's about where they are.Yeah, D'Antoni won when Nash got there...the other years his teams sucked, but how many coaches have won without having a really good player. Name me one.I respect your opinion.
I agree with a lot of the things there, but I still like watching the Suns. I don't think ASUFan is one of "those fans" either, if you know what I'm saying.
I do like watching them but I prefer watching teams who play high-powered offense and have good defense to back it up ala the Spurs.That's what I do mean though ASUFan. Fans and media don't just rate them as a top 4 team. They're praised like they're the best team in the league every year when they are too one dimensional. They run out of gas every year because their system isn't as good as people think.They haven't made the finals yet with "the best system in the league that's completely unstoppable."And sorry but IMO defense isn't just blocking the ball and stealing the ball. The Suns can only play defense in transition because they're always running and that's the pace they play, at least that's the way I see it. They can't defend half court sets and when there's teams that play against them that are able to balance the two it's tough for the Suns to win, especially in a 7-game series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 20 2007, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are one of the few who think that about the Finals. Check out the rating for this year, it's going to be pretty funny. I bet the Suns Lakers and Suns Spurs will have far better ratings. I'd like to compare them. The Suns fill up other team's arenas when they come, kind of like Kobe Bryant does, so yes people do want to see it.</div> And that's what is so sad about the fans nowadays. The average fan won't be happy watching a team like the Spurs, Pistons, or Jazz. They will be happy watching the Suns, Warriors, and Nuggets though. That's very understandable, I'm not going to act like I don't enjoy watching those fast paces teams play. But that's not the point... the point is that the average fan nowadays does not appreciate good, fundamental basketball. That's what bothers me. I say this to my friends all the time, and they say "Man, you sound like a 55 year old man." Well, that may be so, and I'm only 18, but I feel that way. People call the Spurs and Pistons boring... I look at those people and think to myself "how the hell can you say that?" The only reason for that is because Bruce Bowen and Rip Hamilton don't pull off 360 dunks and no-look passes every game... that's the only reason why. I love watching the Spurs, Pistons, Jazz, etc. because they play fundamental basketball on BOTH ends of the floor. Yeah, imagine that, setting picks, constructing a real offense, and playing defense.
They do play half-court sets. It's not like the games a constant fast break. Most of the time they played really good defense against the San Antonio, especially with Kurt Thomas, but yes they do need an upgrade. They said they will be looking to find a good shot blocker and Amare will continue to work on his defense which made a big improvement from his last full season.Again, how do they rate them as the best team when most in the media picked San Antonio this season? Calling them contenders doesn't mean they are the best team. And being a good fan and believing in your team is not overrating them. Out of most good Suns fans on forums, more than half predicted a San Antonio series win.
I know this is kinda digressing from the topic, but I don't think of the Spurs as a high-powered offense. Usually they know how to grind teams down as has been obvious from recent playoffs. They really don't have that many offensive weapons though... Duncan is great, but it goes downhill from there. Tony Parker is ridiculously overrated. There are quite a few pgs that I would rather have than him. Manu was fantastic... what, two years ago? I don't know what it is, but he seems to have lost his step as of late. He is just good now, not much else. Oberto is a garbage bucket guy, and Bowen is pretty "meh." Sometimes Bowen gets hot and hits a bunch of threes. They can get 100 points in a night, but not on a consistent basis, that's why people prefer watching the Suns to them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 20 2007, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. More than half of the fans on this site alone had 16-win countdowns in their sigs.</div>Again, it's called believing in your team and they did have a great chance to win this year. This was their best team in the 3 years and if you take out the suspensions or a freak Nash injury it probably would've went to 7 where anything could have happened. The Suns were probably the 2nd or 3rd best team and so why wouldn't fans put that in their sig?
I'm not gonna read all these post, but do the Suns really think they are the best team in the league? Ha, what a joke. In order to be the best, you gotta at least play some defense now. I am not a big fan of the Suns, but I don't like them much at all. Nash of course is someone I hate, Sorry to say I just can't stand the guy.
You hate the guy because the media voted him in as MVP right? And again, they do play defense. Not top 5, but they did have an above average defense. It wasn't bad at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ May 20 2007, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. More than half of the fans on this site alone had 16-win countdowns in their sigs.</div>Did some Raptors fan have one as well? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ May 20 2007, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash of course is someone I hate, Sorry to say I just can't stand the guy.</div>The only legit reason I have seen to hate Nash is because he took more money to go play for Phoenix rather than Dallas, so why do you hate him?
I'll get bashed for this, but I don't care. I don't like Nash because he is overrated and everyone overrates him a lot. Their isn't a doubt in my mind he is a great player, but everyone thinks this guy is really a two time MVP. He stole the MVP from LeBron and/or Kobe Bryant 2 years ago when he won his 2nd in a row. Come on, no way in hell Nash did better than James in that season. That is always gonna be a huge reason why I dislike the guy. So, these are just my reasons. I have a right to my own opinion and thats the way I feel about Steve Nash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ May 20 2007, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll get bashed for this, but I don't care. I don't like Nash because he is overrated and everyone overrates him a lot. Their isn't a doubt in my mind he is a great player, but everyone thinks this guy is really a two time MVP. He stole the MVP from LeBron and/or Kobe Bryant 2 years ago when he won his 2nd in a row. Come on, no way in hell Nash did better than James in that season. That is always gonna be a huge reason why I dislike the guy. So, these are just my reasons. I have a right to my own opinion and thats the way I feel about Steve Nash.</div>And Dirk stole if from him this year. So he is a two time MVP. I agree that LeBron or Dirk or Kobe deserved it last year. But to hate a guy because the media gave him an award? If you want.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ May 20 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know this is kinda digressing from the topic, but I don't think of the Spurs as a high-powered offense. Usually they know how to grind teams down as has been obvious from recent playoffs. They really don't have that many offensive weapons though... Duncan is great, but it goes downhill from there. Tony Parker is ridiculously overrated. There are quite a few pgs that I would rather have than him. Manu was fantastic... what, two years ago? I don't know what it is, but he seems to have lost his step as of late. He is just good now, not much else. Oberto is a garbage bucket guy, and Bowen is pretty "meh." Sometimes Bowen gets hot and hits a bunch of threes. They can get 100 points in a night, but not on a consistent basis, that's why people prefer watching the Suns to them.</div> I agree about San Antonio not being a high-powered offense. They are a slowed down team that runs & attacks opportunistically. But I disagree with you about Tony Parker, he's not overrated at all. Sure, there are other point guards you might like over him because Tony isn't your conventional floor general, but nobody is as good as Tony Parker at doing what he does (attack, get into the lane at will, outwork the opposing point guard, a great finisher around the basket who can go up-and-under with a fancy layup or hit that floater at a high percentage). He's a hell of a player, you just think this way because you are a Mavs fan, IMO.
Dirk didn't steal it this year, IMO. Even though Nash had a better season than last season, Dirk still earned it in my eyes. Thats not the only reason why I hate him, I'm sick of people overrating him. Also, if you noticed I'm not like one of those posters who go out and say the player sucks because I hate him. I hate a few players in the league, but I always admit they are good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 20 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But I disagree with you about Tony Parker, he's not overrated at all. Sure, there are other point guards you might like over him because Tony isn't your conventional floor general, but nobody is as good as Tony Parker at doing what he does (attack, get into the lane at will, outwork the opposing point guard, a great finisher around the basket who can go up-and-under with a fancy layup or hit that floater at a high percentage). He's a hell of a player, you just think this way because you are a Mavs fan, IMO.</div>I'm not saying he's a piece of crap, but there's definitely a crapton of pg's better than him. He can penetrate fairly well, but that's not all that is being a pg. He doesn't really create that many open shots and doesn't shoot jumpers well. Is he a terrible pg? No. Is he an all-star pg? He shouldn't be. I would rather have Deron Williams or JET than TP. I think there's an even better selection of pg's in the East...I really don't think it has anything to do with being a Mavs fan. He's just a tad overrated in my book.
