<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 20 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But I disagree with you about Tony Parker, he's not overrated at all. Sure, there are other point guards you might like over him because Tony isn't your conventional floor general, but nobody is as good as Tony Parker at doing what he does (attack, get into the lane at will, outwork the opposing point guard, a great finisher around the basket who can go up-and-under with a fancy layup or hit that floater at a high percentage). He's a hell of a player, you just think this way because you are a Mavs fan, IMO.</div>I'm not saying he's a piece of crap, but there's definitely a crapton of pg's better than him. He can penetrate fairly well, but that's not all that is being a pg. He doesn't really create that many open shots and doesn't shoot jumpers well. Is he a terrible pg? No. Is he an all-star pg? He shouldn't be. I would rather have Deron Williams or JET than TP. I think there's an even better selection of pg's in the East...I really don't think it has anything to do with being a Mavs fan. He's just a tad overrated in my book.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 20 2007, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They actually do play defense, learn more about the team before you say this stuff about them. And they have been steadily improving it each year he has been there.</div>Really? They do play defense? That is why the Spurs did whatever they wanted against them in this years playoffs? Just because they hold their opponents to a low shooting percentage doesn't mean they have a good defense. Their interior defense is pitiful, whoever Nash guards gets around him whenever he wants, they never get out and contest 3 point field goals, and they are terrible at rotating. This team is awful defensivley...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ May 20 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying he's a piece of crap, but there's definitely a crapton of pg's better than him. He can penetrate fairly well, but that's not all that is being a pg. He doesn't really create that many open shots and doesn't shoot jumpers well. Is he a terrible pg? No. Is he an all-star pg? He shouldn't be. I would rather have Deron Williams or JET than TP. I think there's an even better selection of pg's in the East...I really don't think it has anything to do with being a Mavs fan. He's just a tad overrated in my book.</div>Are you shitting me? He penetrates fairly well? He is one of the best 3 players in all of basketball at getting to the basket and finishing, and he is also one of the best players in the league at scoring on the fastbreak. And if you have watched him play at all this year, you will know that his jumpshot has improved tremendously. Why dont you go to 82 games and see what his percentage was from 15-20 feet and you will be amazed at how dead wrong you are. He isnt a good 3 point shooter, but he also never shoots them so it really doesn't hurt him. And he isnt an excellent passing PG, but he isnt a bad one...He gets 6 assists per game which is average for a PG...And if you would rather have JET than him, you are nuts. You say Tony is a bad passing PG, JET is way worse...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ May 20 2007, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you shitting me? He penetrates fairly well? He is one of the best 3 players in all of basketball at getting to the basket and finishing, and he is also one of the best players in the league at scoring on the fastbreak. And if you have watched him play at all this year, you will know that his jumpshot has improved tremendously. Why dont you go to 82 games and see what his percentage was from 15-20 feet and you will be amazed at how dead wrong you are. He isnt a good 3 point shooter, but he also never shoots them so it really doesn't hurt him. And he isnt an excellent passing PG, but he isnt a bad one...He gets 6 assists per game which is average for a PG...And if you would rather have JET than him, you are nuts. You say Tony is a bad passing PG, JET is way worse...</div>Ugh, Jesus. Yeah, I realize he is great at penetrating and finishing. You're overanalyzing me when I say he is fairly good. I say that all the time, don't get your panties in a twist.Once again, yeah, you're right. Showed me how wrong I was! I didn't say he was trash from midrange, but he isn't that great.As for your third point, yeah, you got me good. JET only had 5.2 apg! Man, that sure is terrible! Nevermind that he splits time with Harris, isn't a pure pg, and can do things that TP can't do. Oh yeah, and did I mention that TP gets a huge 5.5 apg! HUGE DIFFERENCE GREAT DEAL!Like I said, the guy isn't total crap or anything, but all-star? He's better than Deron? Do you think?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ May 20 2007, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did some Raptors fan have one as well? The only legit reason I have seen to hate Nash is because he took more money to go play for Phoenix rather than Dallas, so why do you hate him?</div>No no one did. GArenas had a countdown for the Wizards, just pointing that out.
[quote name='playaofthegame' post='359946' date='May 20 2007, 10:33 AM']They are not the best team in the league. They're maybe the 3rd best behind the Mavericks and Spurs.[/quote]I feel they ARE the best team in the league. The first 2 years with Nash they weren't, but this year I honestly felt they were. I have criticized the Mavs all season, and their flaws came up early in the playoffs with a first round exit. Nash's nose getting busted in game 1 and Amare and Diaw's suspension really killed their chances in the Spurs' series, but if they won just 1 of those games it would have been a game 7 in Phoenix...something I don't think the Spurs would have overcame. No they aren't. Suns are using a style never before seen. Yes, it is a high tempo fast break style with a lot of great shooters, but never before have we seen big men like Amare run the floor like he does, or the amazing 3pt shooting that this team has. They are unique to the other great fastbreaking teams of the past. That can be said about many role players on great teams. Do you think Horry, Fisher, and Fox would be as highly regarded without playing with Shaq and Kobe? What about Parker and Ginobli playing next to the greatest PF of all time and tons of vets (they'd be good, but definately not all stars)? It is all about situation. If the right role players are in the right situation which maximize their abilties, then they will succeed. Wrong. Their style makes it so that they also give up a ton of points, but watch the end of close games. Specifically against Dallas in their great matchup which went into 2OT, and then game 4 of the Spurs series. They have 2 great defender sin Bell and Marion, a good defender in Thomas, an intimidating presence in Amare, and the rest are about average. They are far from one of the best teams in the league, but they are a pretty good defensive team.
Because of this guyAnd him tooAnd these two guysBut seriously, I dont like Nash or D'antoni. Amare and marion are alright, diaw is one of my favourite non laker players. It's more of their fans who I hate that. They constantly whine and are just obnoxious on real gm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 21 2007, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I feel they ARE the best team in the league. The first 2 years with Nash they weren't, but this year I honestly felt they were. I have criticized the Mavs all season, and their flaws came up early in the playoffs with a first round exit. Nash's nose getting busted in game 1 and Amare and Diaw's suspension really killed their chances in the Spurs' series, but if they won just 1 of those games it would have been a game 7 in Phoenix...something I don't think the Spurs would have overcame. No they aren't. Suns are using a style never before seen. Yes, it is a high tempo fast break style with a lot of great shooters, but never before have we seen big men like Amare run the floor like he does, or the amazing 3pt shooting that this team has. They are unique to the other great fastbreaking teams of the past.That can be said about many role players on great teams. Do you think Horry, Fisher, and Fox would be as highly regarded without playing with Shaq and Kobe? What about Parker and Ginobli playing next to the greatest PF of all time and tons of vets (they'd be good, but definately not all stars)? It is all about situation. If the right role players are in the right situation which maximize their abilties, then they will succeed. Wrong. Their style makes it so that they also give up a ton of points, but watch the end of close games. Specifically against Dallas in their great matchup which went into 2OT, and then game 4 of the Spurs series. They have 2 great defender sin Bell and Marion, a good defender in Thomas, an intimidating presence in Amare, and the rest are about average. They are far from one of the best teams in the league, but they are a pretty good defensive team.</div>Amare intimidating people on defense= LOL material.The only person amare intimidates defensively is Kwame brown.I don't watch many phoenix games but can someone tell me why Marion is considered such a good defender. I see he is good at blocking people, getting steals. But he gets torched by good periemeter players and gets owned in the post. I don't think you can say he is a good man to man defender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 20 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No no one did. GArenas had a countdown for the Wizards, just pointing that out.</div>Yes, a Raptors fan did have one. I remember because it had raptor emblems to mark off (16 of them). I'm not criticizing Raptors fans for having them. It's what people do when their team is in the playoffs. I was making the point that a lot of people make them even if their team is not necessarily a championship team (as in GArenas').
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ May 22 2007, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare intimidating people on defense= LOL material.The only person amare intimidates defensively is Kwame brown.I don't watch many phoenix games but can someone tell me why Marion is considered such a good defender. I see he is good at blocking people, getting steals. But he gets torched by good periemeter players and gets owned in the post. I don't think you can say he is a good man to man defender.</div>He does intimiadte people. He doesn't get many blocked shots, and guys like Duncan will give him fits in 1 on 1 situations, but he will make perimeter players driving into the lane think twice about taking the shot over him. being that athletic with that body will do that.Marion is very versatile. He can guard almost anyone in the league. Of course he is going to get owned by Duncan, but for your 6'7'' SF to be a better matchup than Diaw, who played center last year, is pretty impressive. He has amazing length so he can guard players like Dirk very well. He is very quick so he stays in front of man, great help defender, good at denying passes, ....
I dont understand what the crap most people are saying here. We all are welcome to our opinion, however people arnt overrated on other teams just because you dont like that team! Some of this sh!t written is hard to read. IT IS JUST IGNORANCE!
