Politics Psychedelic mushroom legalization effort in Oregon gets ballot language approval

sure it is...so is possessing mustard gas though...or a nuke...and my posts have nothing to do with what the govt dictates but what my personal experiences have led me to think about magic mushrooms and more importantly, the irresponsible use of these things. My biggest concern is that it will lead to triggering mental illness in folks who are on the edge of losing it anyway...cops, vets, etc...high stress career folks. I've also said that certain demographics were more conducive to having a culture that would act more responsibly...and understand the dangers...or in other words...I'm leaning towards this particular substance as one that we're better off being a "controlled" one...yet not a felony....if labs can make safe doses without risks to health then it could begin to take a medicinal track towards decriminalization or eventual legalization. I believe Native Americans are allowed by law to use them in rituals and possess them currently...but the Native Americans understand their properties unlike maybe some guy with anger issues down at the bar. I think this is an interesting topic and I've been trying to sort it out myself. I worked with a vets counciling program when I got back from the war and often these guys can be wound pretty tight. I want fentanyl and oxycontin to be controlled substances as well.

 

I stopped reading after this. Jussayin... Use common sense.

 

I think that's also mainly due to the possibility of hurting someone else...or your children finding it and eating it, etc....not so much what your personal choice is but how it can affect those around you. Dad accidentally triggering mental illness thinking he is just getting high is going to hurt the kids or family probably more than himself.

 

look at the whole picture or just disengage.....honestly, I'll just disengage if you don't respect the dialogue...so be it...too bad..this topic is interesting to me

 

You just compared possessing heroin to possessing mustard gas. One is a WMD...

Sorry, I just don't know where to go from there...

 

controlled is the word dviss...and posed risks that follow...medical science has found pros and cons to mushrooms...that's where I go from there..look at the whole issue and I've posted that I've seen mental illness triggered by shrooms in one vet that pretty much turned him to a vegetable....the potential for enabling mental illness that is under control by stimulation of shrooms is a real issue...I've written several posts about what I think may be possible..as it stands I don't know that I would vote for it to be legalized for the reasons I've stated. No post here has offered a case that would make me vote yes on the issue as it stands today but I'll listen. I'm not looking at this from a political perspective..more from a social one.

 

Just for the record my friend....I'm aware of what I post. I made a list of things that laws control possession of that are obviously a danger to society or have the potential to be. If you come to my cabin we can walk out in the woods and you can pick them in the dairy pasture down the hill...I have no problem with people doing that who I think can handle it. I just think there are a lot of folks who can't and I know a few.

 

People can protect themselves if given truthful information.

I don't need the government to tell me my son shouldn't be near heroine. There are also child endangerment laws already on the books.

 

No one was attempting to sway you. I'm simply stating what I believe and what I will work toward.

I'll be voting yes and I don't use them.

The war on drugs has been a large FAILURE and a waste of money. That money could be better spent on prevention, information, and recovery as opposed to giving people prison sentences and ruining lives for it.

If usage going down is the end goal, policing it achieves the opposite.

 

You'd have to trust those people to actually read the information...I've stated earlier...I don't trust American culture currently on those levels...truth today is that stressed out Americans are flipping out in public venues more than I can ever remember...we all talk on and on about mental illness yet....this is where it starts..or at least one area of concern...

 

Yeah, but that's not typical. Think of the countless times police officers have saved someone from jumping off a bridge. Sure there are bad cops but most aren't bad.

 

So. Cops are not the right people to call when it comes to suicide prevention.

They don't have the training to deal with the mentally ill.

 

Info comes in more forms than simply reading.

The more you know...

 

yeah but passing a driver's test doesn't cure some of road rage in the end

 

Ever taken shrooms? I have.

Right now you're conflating our problem with mental illness.

Mushrooms don't make you go crazy and shoot up a school.

That's crazy talk that you've never even heard of.

 

You're acting like every single addict commits crime...

Sooooo, since the war on drugs has been proven to be a failure, we should not spend money policing the situation.

Criminalizing possession is a waste of money and doesn't achieve the end goal of minimizing usage.

 

This doesn't jibe with your stance on punishing those that can handle it.

 

Ha!

I applaud your caution, but no thanks to the weed. A few lite beer, now and then aren't too harmful. Even some good, a couple to wash down the Ibprofen when needed works darn well.

 

dviss you're sensationalizing don't you think? I've never said anything about all addicts being criminals or commiting crimes...I was a tobacco addict for 50 years....didn't hurt anyone but myself

 

I have made no statements about punishment whatsoever...c'mon dude, talk about the subject...FWIW I'm not the subject