You guys dont know how much it is killing me inside to see Bosh at the top of that list, I would love for this guy to be considered as the best PF in the NBA. He has all the potential in the world, and Im sure he will get to the top in the future. Whether he will ever be better than Duncan or Dirk, Im not sure, Duncan's a push, and his style is way different than Dirk. However, he already plays a level under Garnett and will surpass him in a couple of years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 21 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Garnett's MVP season</div> MVP one season or not, Tim Duncan has always been the better player. Garnett won MVP 3 years ago, I doubt thats what Ballerman's reasoning is for what he said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 21 2007, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>MVP one season or not, Tim Duncan has always been the better player. Garnett won MVP 3 years ago, I doubt thats what Ballerman's reasoning is for what he said.</div>I know, I'm not arguing, Duncan is better, but Garnett may have had A better season than Duncan ever had.
Stat wise, KG did. I have to agree with that, but the better player doesn't always have the better stats.
1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Chris Bosh5. Elton Brand6. Carlos Boozer7. Jermaine O'Neal8. Pau Gasol9. Zack Randolph10. Rasheed Wallace
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ May 21 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stat wise, KG did. I have to agree with that, but the better player doesn't always have the better stats.</div>If the numbers are relatively close then yeah, I agree. But Garnett was averaging 24.2 ppg 13.9 rpg 5 apg 2.2 bpg and 1.5 spg on 49% shooting and had 58 wins. Those stats were better than Duncan's. In the long run, Ducnan is better, but that year Garnett was the best.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 21 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the numbers are relatively close then yeah, I agree. But Garnett was averaging 24.2 ppg 13.9 rpg 5 apg 2.2 bpg and 1.5 spg on 49% shooting and had 58 wins. Those stats were better than Duncan's. In the long run, Ducnan is better, but that year Garnett was the best.</div> No he wasn't. Statistics are just numbers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 21 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No he wasn't. Statistics are just numbers.</div>Don't like stats? How about an MVP award?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 21 2007, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't like stats? How about an MVP award?</div> Awards are largely based of statistics. The MVP award means nothing. Tim Duncan has always been the superior player, regardless of whatever statistics/awards either has won.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 21 2007, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Awards are largely based of statistics. The MVP award means nothing. Tim Duncan has always been the superior player, regardless of whatever statistics/awards either has won.</div>Not that year.
1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Elton Brand5. Chris Bosh6. Carlos Boozer7. Jermaine O'Neal (could be 5 or 6 if he wasn't injured all the time)8. Pau Gasol9. Zach Randolph10. Rasheed WallaceIdenticle to Nitro's list, except I switched Brand and Bosh. I'd rank Brand ahead of Bosh because of his defense. Bosh is a great young player but he still has to work defensively, Brand is a good defender and he is stronger. He's also more effective on the block.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 21 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No he wasn't. Statistics are just numbers.</div>The truest statement ever posted on BBW.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Elton Brand5. Chris Bosh6. Carlos Boozer7. Jermaine O'Neal (could be 5 or 6 if he wasn't injured all the time)8. Pau Gasol9. Zach Randolph10. Rasheed WallaceIdenticle to Nitro's list, except I switched Brand and Bosh. I'd rank Brand ahead of Bosh because of his defense. Bosh is a great young player but he still has to work defensively, Brand is a good defender and he is stronger. He's also more effective on the block.The truest statement ever posted on BBW.</div>Explain to me why you in heavens think Elton Brand has any kind of edge over Bosh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 21 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain to me why you in heavens think Elton Brand has any kind of edge over Bosh.</div>Do you read?Identicle to Nitro's list, except I switched Brand and Bosh. I'd rank Brand ahead of Bosh because of his defense. Bosh is a great young player but he still has to work defensively, Brand is a good defender and he is stronger. He's also more effective on the block.
I just dont think Boozer is better than Oneal or Gasol. I know you said Oneal would be top 5 if he wastned injured, but I dont think Boozer is better than Gasol. Hes a better rebounder. Thats about it. Gasol is either the same or better than him in other categories.
<span style="font-family:Arial">1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Carlos Boozer5. Chris Bosh6. Elton Brand7. Amare Stoudamire8. Jermaine O'Neal9. Zach Randolph10. Pau GasolThis list is based on my opinion that Shawn Marion is a small forward, and Amare Stoudemire is a power forward. If you consider Marion a PF, then he would be 4th on my list.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ May 21 2007, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Carlos Boozer5. Chris Bosh6. Amare Stoudamire7. Elton Brand8. Jermaine O'Neal9. Zach Randolph10. Pau GasolThis list is based on my opinion that Shawn Marion is a small forward, and Amare Stoudemire is a power forward. If you consider Marion a PF, then he would be 4th on my list.</span></div> I would put Pau Gasol over Zach Randolph, but everything else looks good.
Okay, I can live with Boozer above Gasol cause you can make a very good arguement about that...but why Randolph. He is not better than Gasol and ill argue that all day long.Gasol has ALWAYS carried the Grizzlies on his back, not since the Bibbly-Rahim days had the Griz had more than one star. How many one star teams get to the playoffs for the most part?????? Not many...and Memphis was one of them(and probably was this year if not for all the troubles). Gasol can carry a team, Randolph..and I dont think Boozer, can do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you read?Identicle to Nitro's list, except I switched Brand and Bosh. I'd rank Brand ahead of Bosh because of his defense. Bosh is a great young player but he still has to work defensively, Brand is a good defender and he is stronger. He's also more effective on the block.</div> I still dont think you should put Brand ontop of Bosh only because hes better at defence. Chris Bosh is a better leader, franchise player, and just better all around. Offensively, better rebounder, more consistent, and F.Y.I Bosh really improved defensively this year, yes not at Brand's level, but he did. Its also not like Brand is a lock down defender, hes jsut a blocking/force down low. I wouldnt totally rank him over Bosh, just because he has more strides defensively.
Why do people put JO behind Brand and Boozer?Brand is an overproducer on a terrible team, and Boozer doesn't play a lick of defense.
okay, how do we know hes a better leader? Only his teammates and the people around them can determine that, cause Brand is a leader. And who knows whos the better franchise player? Bosh may be more popular right now, but that doesn't make him better.
