Stats thus far this season

Player Stats thus far this season:

Points:
1. Lillard - 655
2. McCollum - 512
3. Nurkic - 359
4. Aminu - 220
5. Turner - 194
6. Collins - 187
7. Stauskas - 168
8. Leonard - 128
9. Layman - 96
10. Curry - 85
11. Harkless - 43
12. Swanigan - 25
13. Simons - 11
14. Trent Jr. - 10
15. Baldwin IV - 7


Rebounds:
1. Nurkic - 248
2. Aminu - 196
3. Lillard - 123
4. Turner - 118
5. Collins - 101
6. McCollum - 93
7. Leonard - 92
8. Layman - 44
9. Stauskas - 43
10. Harkless - 41
10. Swanigan - 41
12. Curry - 27
13. Baldwin IV - 5
13. Simons - 5
15. Trent Jr. - 3


Assists:
1. Lillard - 152
2. Turner - 98
3. McCollum - 57
4. Nurkic - 54
5. Stauskas - 38
6. Collins - 23
7. Leonard - 20
8. Curry - 15
9. Aminu - 13
10. Harkless - 8
11. Layman - 7
12. Baldwin IV - 6
13. Swanigan - 5
14. Simons - 1
15. Trent Jr - 0


Steals:
1. Aminu - 25
2. Nurkic - 22
3. Lillard - 20
4. McCollum - 19
5. Turner - 18
6. Layman - 10
7. Harkless - 8
7. Collins - 8
9. Stauskas - 7
10. Leonard - 5
11. Swanigan - 4
12. Curry - 3
13. Trent Jr, Baldwin IV, Simons - 0


Blocks:
1. Nurkic - 27
2. Collins - 24
3. Lillard - 11
4. Harkless - 10
4. Aminu - 10
6. Turner - 8
7. McCollum - 7
7. Layman - 7
9. Stauskas - 3
10. Leonard - 2
11. Curry - 1
12. Trent Jr, Baldwin IV, Simons, Swanigan - 0


Turnovers:
1. Lillard - 61
2. Nurkic - 51
3. Turner - 45
4. McCollum - 42
5. Collins - 33
6. Stauskas - 24
7. Aminu - 19
8. Leonard - 16
9. Curry - 14
10. Layman - 12
11. Swanigan - 10
12. Harkless - 8
13. Baldwin IV - 6
14. Simons - 3
15. Trent Jr - 1


Total Contribution:
1. Lillard - 940.5
2. Nurkic - 670.5
3. McCollum - 655.0
4. Aminu - 462.5
5. Turner - 417.0
6. Collins - 308.5
7. Stauskas - 238.5
8. Leonard - 231.0
9. Layman - 157.0
10. Curry - 114.0
11. Harkless - 111.0
12. Swanigan - 61.5
13. Simons - 11.5
14. Trent Jr - 11.0
15. Baldwin IV - 9.0

Gramps...

 

Thanks for all the work you do maintaining this! IT's a fun game.

 

Dame has ELEVEN blocks??

 

When you also add in minutes played, and look at how little Seth Curry contributes, you have to question why he's even in the rotation:



I know one is a forward and the other a center, but just look at the two guys right behind him and how much more they contribute is fewer minutes. Of course, being taller players, they both have a lot more rebounds, but both have also scored considerably more. Meyers has nearly 50% more assists in 20% fewer minutes. Jake has 4x as many steals, and Meyers 2x as many.

The only thing I can see that Curry does well is shoot .442 from 3-point range, but Meyers, who people constantly shit on for not shooting enough, has actually made 2 more 3FG is 67 fewer minutes played. So, if he's not very prolific at the one thing he does well, why is he even in the rotation? He has a PER of 4.5 for a reason - he does NOTHING else. He's like Allen Crabbe on a reasonable contract. Actually, Crabbe's PER of 6.1, while horrible, is BETTER than Curry's.

I'd rather see any of Simons, Trent Jr. or Baldwin get those minutes. Better yet, move Stauskas to the back up SG and play Layman at SF with the second unit:

PG - Turner
SG - Stauskas
SF - Layman
PF - Collins
C - Meyers

Give the minutes to someone who deserves them.

BNM

 

Our PG has more blocks than our starting PF...

 

I kind of think we should be patient with Seth. Coming back when you haven't played a year because of injuries is hard even for superstars. I know Kawhi has looked good this year, but I don't really believe he was all that injured last year, I at least believe he was working out pretty consistently through all of that. When you watch Seth he seems to really lack that quickness to feel confident he can get his shot off, he's played pretty passively on offense. On defense though he will never be an elite defender, his "dimensions" just kind of work against him, but he is decent at being in the right place on defense, you don't see him completely lost very often. Also I think so much of their problem revolves around ET. ET is a ball pounder, he's turn over prone, and he can't shoot. So of course it makes sense they make him play point for the 2nd unit instead of the guy (SETH) who is actually a natural PG. My personal opinion is that Seth should be the guy that initiates the offense, he at least makes it so whoever is guarding the ball has to guard him past 15 feet. When ET comes down his defender sags off and so right off the bat the defense is compact and thus harder for the rest of the team. With the way it's constructed and the scheme I don't really believe ET's skillset fits at all.

They could Play Simons, Trent Jr, or Baldwin and if they don't work towards their natural strengths the results wont be any different. The organization seems bent on doubling down on ET.

 

As frustrating as Curry's play has been, I agree. He needs more time to get comfortable. He is a quality outside shooter, and probably needs to get more screens to set up his 3 pt. shot. I think Stauskas needs to settle down as well. He gets herky jerky, and forces things. But they both need to produce for this team to thrive.

 

Think of Curry as a rookie.

Curry had only one good year with the worst team in the league. When Stotts gets a rookie, he trains him for 2-3 year before giving him minutes (other than Lillard and Collins).

Curry needs seasoning.

YES, I SAID IT! I SAID IT!

 

The math formula needs adjustment. Nurkic contributes 5 times as much as McCollum. Nurkic is our main horse, and Lillard our main decoy.

 

The causes of it taking 2-3 years are
1) Stotts' system is weird and takes a long time to learn, and
2) Allen gave Olshey the budget for superior assistant coaches, so rookies get a thorough education.

For now, I'd like to keep the assistants and replace Stotts. But in a couple of years, the new cheapskate owner will downscale the assistants' payroll.

 

That excuse is getting old. He had a stress fracture. Granted there are different degrees of stress fractures, but he had surgery in early February and was expected to be fully recovered and resuming normal basketball activities within 10 - 12 weeks. According to a Woj tweet from June 27th quoting Curry's agent, Curry had been medically cleared and had been participating in "full basketball activities" for a month (i.e. since late May). So, he had an entire summer all of training camp, preseason and now 26 games of the regular season to shake off the rust.

Remember when Nurk had his stress fracture? It was also a non-displaced stress fracture of the tibia - same injury as Curry. He played in a playoff game 3 weeks later and worked his ass off that summer getting in the best shape of his life. A stress fracture is not an injury that robs an athlete of their strength or athleticism. As discussed at the time of Nurk's injury, the new bone growth to heal the injury actually makes the bone stronger.

I bought the "returning from injury" excuse in October. It's now December. I'm no longer buying it. Curry has not played well, and other than an occasional 3-pointer is not contributing anything to the team. And, keep in kind, those occasional 3-pointers are very few and far between. Seth Curry = 19 made 3-pointers in 347 minutes. Meyers Leonard = 21 made 3-pointers in 280 minutes.

Maybe Curry is just a poor fit, maybe he's just not that good. Whatever the case, he has been flat out useless. Move Stauskas to back up 2 and Layman to back up 3. It improves EVERYTHING. We no longer have an undersized backup SG, we actually have great size coming off the bench at all five positions. Layman's 3-point shooting is pretty much equal to Curry's - Layman = 18 made 3-pointers in 326 minutes, but he does everything else so much better. Curry = 13 made 2-pointers in 347 minutes, Layman = 31 made 2-pointers in 326 minutes. Curry = .289 2FG%, Layman = .689 2FG%. Layman = 12 STL and 7 BLK, Curry = 3 STL and 2 BLK, etc.



If you have a player in your rotation with a single digit PER they better be a DPOY level defender (aka a Bruce Bowen type). If not, they don't deserve rotation minutes. Curry's PER = 4.5 (Layman's = 13.5). Even if Curry could magically, instantaneously double his production, he still wouldn't deserve rotation minutes.

We are 26 games into an 82 game season. Our bench play has been horrible lately. We need a change. Time to cull the dead weight. Even if you buy into the "returning from injury" excuse, you can't turn a blind eye to Curry's lack of production. Even if he's not part of the rotation he will still be participating in practices. Let him "rehab" when it's not costing the team wins. If he starts to show life and practice, let him work his way back into the rotation. Until then, give his minutes to someone who actually deserves them.

BNM

 

You brought up Nurkic, but look at his stats last year, the first few months he was AWFUL, he got better and better as the season went on. Sure Seth was able to play, and practice over the summer, but getting used to real nba games is different than putzing around in the gym. I'm not sure what Curry has I'm just saying that when a guy has basically not played professional basketball in a year that is hard to come back from. Really who deserves them though Layman probably deserves to start at this point. Harkless has been just straight bad, but he needs time to play himself back in too. We have no idea what Baldwin, Simons or Trent look like in practice maybe they aren't playing because Curry looks a lot better than them.

 

Curry is not, and never has been, a natural PG. He's an undersized SG in a PG's body. His career high is 2.7 APG when he was playing 29 MPG in DAL. He currently has 16 assists in 347 minutes. Meyers Leonard has 23 assists in 280 minutes. I get that Curry isn't currently playing the point. Neither is Meyers.

Curry has a career AST% of 14.4. C.J.'s is 16.7. Remember how frustrating it was to watch C.J.'s lack of passing on the second unit last season? Curry is a smaller, poor man's C.J. Like C.J. his natural tendency is to look for his own shot, not his open teammates.

BNM

 

I'd rather have Curry playing the point than ET. I'd rather have Meyers playing the point than ET at least he'd just pass the ball to the first available guy...

 

Nurk was also adapting to losing a lot of weight and starting for the first time in his career. He may have been "awful" the first two months of the season compared to Nurk fever, but even "awful" Nurk had 4x the PER of "awful" Seth.

In Nurk's case, it wasn't like we had anyone else who should have been starting at center. In Seth's case, we have other viable options, including one who is currently outplaying him and getting fewer minutes.

How is a 2nd unit of Turner, Stauskas, Layman, Collins and Leonard inferior in any way to Turner, Curry, Stauskas, Collins and Leonard? Name one way. In addition to replacing Curry's lack of production with Layman's much greater production, we go from being undersized at both the 2 and 3 to having great length at all five positions. I fail to see any downside with this change.

BNM

 

Also, I know it's rarely brought up because people just hate CJ now I guess... When Dame's has been down for stretches and CJ's played the point I don't remember the exact numbers but he's averages like 30 and 6. Now I know that's against unscouted line ups and a small sample size I just think CJ's asked to score and so he shoots a lot.

 

Did you read what I wrote about Curry? 16 assists in 347 minutes. Career best 2.7 APG. Career AST% = 14.4. That is not a point guard. Not even close. I get that Turner sucks. Curry sucks worse.

BNM

 

How about no ET like ever. Curry, Nik, Layman, Collins and Leonard. Or Curry, Nik, Harkless, Collins and Leonard. I agree about giving layman more minutes. I'm not sure if you read the game threads but I'm constantly complaining about how they've used Layman this year.