<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 21 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still dont think you should put Brand ontop of Bosh only because hes better at defence. Chris Bosh is a better leader, franchise player, and just better all around. Offensively, better rebounder, more consistent, and F.Y.I Bosh really improved defensively this year, yes not at Brand's level, but he did. Its also not like Brand is a lock down defender, hes jsut a blocking/force down low. I wouldnt totally rank him over Bosh, just because he has more strides defensively.</div>Better leader and franchise player? Based on what? Age? Elton Brand is a legit guy to build around, the Clippers have just had poor management over the years. And if you want to break it down, what is Bosh have on Brand besides length, athleticism, and ball handling? Brand is stronger, a better defender, a better rebounder, a MUCH better post player, has just as good a 15 foot shot as Bosh, and is a better shot blocker.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Gasol has ALWAYS carried the Grizzlies on his back, not since the Bibbly-Rahim days had the Griz had more than one star. How many one star teams get to the playoffs for the most part?????? Not many...and Memphis was one of them(and probably was this year if not for all the troubles). Gasol can carry a team, Randolph..and I dont think Boozer, can do that.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">Memphis doesn't have a bad supporting cast. Pau Gasol deserves a ton of credit, but the Grizzlies have a solid team (disregarding this season) He has never won a playoff game, either. I wouldn't exactly blame him for that though.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 21 2007, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Better leader and franchise player? Based on what? Age? Elton Brand is a legit guy to build around. And if you want to break it down, what is Bosh have on Brand besides length, athleticism, and ball handling? Brand is stronger, a better defender, a better rebounder, a MUCH better post player, has just as good a 15 foot shot as Bosh, and is a better shot blocker.</div> Im sorry, but Brand has not averaged more than 10.0 rebounds in the last three years. He is not better than Bosh, they're the same. Ill give you hes a better post player, better defender, but Bosh's offensive skillset is way better. He is one of the best power forwards in the league in putting the ball on the floor.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 21 2007, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Brand is an overproducer on a terrible team,</div>Brand averaged 25PPG on a 6th seed in the West last year...yeah totally overproducing on a terrible team....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and Boozer doesn't play a lick of defense.</div>Yes he does. He is also far more efficient on the offensive end.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ May 21 2007, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">Memphis doesn't have a bad supporting cast. Pau Gasol deserves a ton of credit, but the Grizzlies have a solid team (disregarding this season) He has never won a playoff game, either. I wouldn't exactly blame him for that though.</span></div>Yeah you cant blame Gasol for that, the 2006 Draft night was a direct result of the playoffs. To win a playoff game(btw, we were swepted by Phoenix, Suns, and Mavs when they were all the best team in the West)you need a player who can create off the dribble. And Memphis really hasnt had that type of player. Not saying Bonzi Wells, Mike Miller or James Posey couldnt create, but I mean another star who can create. Thats why we traded for Rudy Gay, cuase Rudy will be that type of player who can create for himself(plus we traded Battier, who did not do a good job on Dirk). But basicly ever since the Griz have been in Memphis, we've had Gasol and ALOTVE solid role-players. Role-players can only help in the stretch to a certain extent.But hes better than Randolph, I cant see how Randolph would be better at all. And I sortve see Boozer as Randolph with a good team and coach. But you cant ever argue that Gasol had the help Boozer has(AK47, Deron Williams, Mehmet Okur)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 21 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im sorry, but Brand has not averaged more than 10.0 rebounds in the last three years.</div>Give me a break. What, he has probably been 0.2 or 0.3 f*cking per off right? People, this is why I get mad about people using stats in an argument. Trying to tell me Brand isn't a better rebounder than Bosh because he hasn't "averaged 10+ rebounds in the past couple years." That makes me mad. Elton Brand is clearly the better rebounder... clearly. He's stronger and he gets better position, especially on the offensive glass.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He is not better than Bosh, they're the same. Ill give you hes a better post player, better defender, but Bosh's offensive skillset is way better. He is one of the best power forwards in the league in putting the ball on the floor.</div>Again, like I said, that's athleticism and ball handling. Bosh has that on Brand, Brand has virtually everything else. I know you are a Raptors fan, I know it's tough to admit, but Chris Bosh is not a better all-around player than Elton Brand. I'm sorry. He's more athletic, he's longer, and he's more agile.
bosh is way overated. Most of you rated him above boozer. But he went missing in the playoffs. Boozer has been awesome this year and is well into the playoffs. Now you might ask me why I think they playoffs are so important? Well simple, your playing the best teams, yourfacing REAL pressure. So I think to be "the best" the whole picture has to be looked at!I think Boozer is too low on most lists and Bosh is to high.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 22 2007, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would put Pau Gasol over Zach Randolph, but everything else looks good.</div>I agree, But good list balla
1. Tim Duncan- depends on what position you want to put him at2. Dirk Nowitzki- forget about the playoffs that just happend, hes MVP for a reason3. Kevin Garnett- I give him credit for still even trying, this guy will never catch a break4. Chris Bosh- reminds me of Garnett but not on that level just yet5. Shawn Marion- he could play either or given his ability, but im gonna go with him here6. Rasheed Wallace- he is the center piece around that team, he struggles, so do they7. Jermaine Oneal- good when healthy8. Carlos Boozer- really hasnt emerged into something big till this year, but he will continue9. Elton Brand- his numbers are solid, but he isnt that dominant of a player10. Lamar Odom- he didnt have a great year all year but when hes healthy, he can do a lot
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (melofan15 @ May 22 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Tim Duncan- depends on what position you want to put him at2. Dirk Nowitzki- forget about the playoffs that just happend, hes MVP for a reason3. Kevin Garnett- I give him credit for still even trying, this guy will never catch a break4. Chris Bosh- reminds me of Garnett but not on that level just yet5. Shawn Marion- he could play either or given his ability, but im gonna go with him here6. Rasheed Wallace- he is the center piece around that team, he struggles, so do they7. Jermaine Oneal- good when healthy8. Carlos Boozer- really hasnt emerged into something big till this year, but he will continue9. Elton Brand- his numbers are solid, but he isnt that dominant of a player10. Lamar Odom- he didnt have a great year all year but when hes healthy, he can do a lot</div>Rasheed wallace even in his portland days is not as good as Jermaine O'neal, Carlos Boozer, or Elton Brand. Rasheed is a good player dont get me wrong but he is really nothing more then a big man with a solid shot,solid defense,and solid rebounding at this stage of his career while the others are superstar players who their respective teams live and die off how they play.
1. Dirk Nowitzki2. Tim Duncan3. Kevin Garnett4. Chris Bosh5. Carlos Boozer6. Elton Brand7. Pau Gasol8. Zach Randolph (If he played for a better team, he would be more known.)9. Jermaine O'Neal10. Emeka OkaforeOthers: Al Jefferson - Rasheed Wallace - Josh Smith
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ May 22 2007, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Carlos Boozer5. Chris Bosh6. Elton Brand7. Amare Stoudamire8. Jermaine O'Neal9. Zach Randolph10. Pau GasolThis list is based on my opinion that Shawn Marion is a small forward, and Amare Stoudemire is a power forward. If you consider Marion a PF, then he would be 4th on my list.</span></div>I don't buy that. Do you watch Jazz games? Half the time, Boozer doesn't even create for himself. Deron Williams works wonders for him with his excellent interior passes. Carlos is overrated offensively. He's strong, and he's a banger, but he's definitely not as skilled as Bosh, no question...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 22 2007, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Better leader and franchise player? Based on what? Age? Elton Brand is a legit guy to build around, the Clippers have just had poor management over the years. And if you want to break it down, what is Bosh have on Brand besides length, athleticism, and ball handling? Brand is stronger, a better defender, a better rebounder, a MUCH better post player, has just as good a 15 foot shot as Bosh, and is a better shot blocker.</div>Wow, what a dumb statement. Not true at all. Oh, and how about quickness and offensive versatility. Chris can even shoot threes, and I don't think Elton can shoot 17 footers accurately. You're wrong. Bosh may not have the post game that Brand has, but he scores just as effectively, in a more versatile way. In fact, he is the better offensive player.
Yeah, I forgot Boozer, and Gasol is overrated on my list by two spots.Bargnani should be playing PF, I just liked what I saw out of him this year, even if he is a seven foot small forward.Jamison is a SF in my opinion.
He is. Randolph, and you could make a case to Boozer, only have rebounding on him. Saying that, Gasols rebounding has gotten alot better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't buy that. Do you watch Jazz games? Half the time, Boozer doesn't even create for himself. Deron Williams works wonders for him with his excellent interior passes. Carlos is overrated offensively. He's strong, and he's a banger, but he's definitely not as skilled as Bosh, no question...</div><span style="font-family:Arial">10.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg15.5 ppg, 11.0 rpg17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpgAll while shooting 53% from the field, these are Boozers numbers without Williams.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ May 22 2007, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">10.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg15.5 ppg, 11.0 rpg17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpgAll while shooting 53% from the field, these are Boozers numbers without Williams.</span></div>Are those season stats or what? Those aren't up to his standards, and they aren't close to Bosh's numbers.
