Meyers Leonard

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    He doesnt speak stats, so no comprehende.
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Meyers’ stats are better than Miles Plumlee’s and Plumlee makes 12.5 M. Next argument please.
     
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    Did you miss where he said "today's market"...?
     
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    you've got a major sample size issue there. You're comparing 355 games of Meyers to 72 games of Markkanen. WS is a cumulative stat so naturally Meyers would be higher with 5 times the games. Winshare/48 is ostensibly a rate or average but it's still dependent on a team's total wins. Markkanen has only played 4 games this season because of an injury but he played for 27 win Chicago as a rookie. Meyers has played on 6 Blazer teams that have averaged about 46 wins.
    That give Meyers a 1.7/1.0 advantage in the calculation. Normalizing up would give Markkanen a 128 to 101 winshare/48 advantage. Normalizing down would make it a 75 to 59 advantage

    as for offensive and defensive ratings, they are too team-centric to be compared across teams and seasons, IMO, and you're going to get too much noise and skew
     
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    This is an amazing idea. Use today’s market conditions to retroactively evaluate deals completed three years ago. I really need to call my realtor and change the price I paid for my home to the 2008 value.
     
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    lol

    ok then..."today's NBA" and the "NBA market" resets every summer. That's the nature of the business

    you just dug and found another horribly stupid contract that was signed in the insanity of the 2016 off-season, just like Crabbe's and Turner's and Leonard's (or Chandler Parsons or Mozgov or Ryan Anderson or Tyler Johnson or Kent Bazemore or Bizmack Biyombo)

    collectively, GM's had rabies that summer and went insane....and even before the barrels of ink on paper were dry, those were all bad contracts. Every damn one of them. That hasn't changed halfway thru all those stupid deals. Just finding another bad contract for a player that may be performing worse than Meyers doesn't mean that Meyers suddenly has a good contract. Portland is paying nearly 11M this year, 10% of the cap, for a player who is averaging 12.6 minutes and 5.8 points

    put it another way: if Meyers was the median gauge for production and salary, in order to average the 112 points Portland does currently, the payroll would have to be 205M rather than the 132M it is. And their tax bill would be several hundred million...might even approach a billion
     
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    You dont need today's market to know that multiple GMs made the mistake of spending money on inferior products due to having extra cap space. When signing a 4-year contract, one should take into account market fluctuations over that contract and the constrictions that contract may have on participating in upcoming, more favorable markets.
     
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    Some do this on reselling sites.
    'I paid 3k for this furniture set in 2010, It's in excellent condition I'll sell it to you 8 years later for $2,799'.
     
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    So what? That is what they’re getting paid this year.
     
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    We’ve discussed the Summer of 2016 ad nauseum around here. The Player’s Association wouldn’t agree to a gradual phase-in of the be TV money so guys who were free agents that summer made out like bandits and guys who hit free agency this year got relatively screwed. Could Olshey have spent his money more wisely? Sure, but nobody was signing cheap that year and with Dame’s and CJ’s new contracts it wasn’t a choice not to spend since the cap space was going to evaporate anyway. Bad timing for the Blazers.
     
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    Dude - isn't it kind of dark and smelly there?
     
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    It is a small sample size, but the link I quoted compared only this season, not any of the numbers in your argument.
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    I too will be delighted when Turner is off the team
     
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    you need to open your own link. I just did and it compares all game Meyers has played in 6 seasons (355) to all games Markkanen has played in 2 seasons (73)
     
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    Okay, sorry about that. The initial page I was trying to link showed just this year.
     
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    Trust me, use the eye-test and get back to me with your conclusions. And the fact that CJ isn't elite doesn't make him a worse defender than Dame because he isn't. He's not a good defender but he is much better than Dame.

    My inrention ian't to trash talk Dame, I think this issue is essential to our success. Meyers is not a good defender but he's much much better than what he was a couple of years ago, I heard him say he's working on it, watching tons of tape.
    I have great respect to Dame, he's an incredible player and personality but if our top player who gets the most minutes is such a liability on defense, how can we win? He has to make a concentrated effort to improve this area of his game and giving him a pass for it because he's our best player isn't what a true fan would do. A true fan would point this out for the best of the team
     
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    Markannen is an interesting comparison but I think (at least based on my opionion of him coming out of college) that Markannen can be an elite player, on another level than Meyers
     
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    Awful Player
     
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    That’s been established. The real question is why does Stotts keep playing him over Collins?
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    No he’s not awful. Just a mediocre backup big man.
     
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