Politics What if it turns out the other side was right?

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Hey dammit, how dare you ruin my posts poking fun at your typos.
     
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    Who actively fought against civil rights?
    Who switched parties (dem to repub) when it passed?
    Who has always been against prison/police reform?
    Who is actively making it so black people can't vote?
    Who is actively segregating us now?
    Who is the racist "alt right'.
    Who "wants to take their country back"?

    Conservatives. And they need to own their shit.

    They say they're trying to get more people of color to vote for them. How else are they going to broaden their voter base?

    Look platy, I know it's not you or all conservatives. You don't exemplify the current conservative movement.

    But it's been conservatives that have stood in our way at every move toward equality.

    Even Antifa isn't racist...
     
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    Says the person who never experiences racism.

    Yeah... Liberals aren't running down people with cars over their racist views. Nor are they being protected by the President when it's done.

    Neo Nazis ran those people over, and your president equated the Nazis and the people protesting the Nazis....

    Stop repeating his bullshit rhetoric of "all sides".

    In this very thread you said you shouldn't compare people to Nazis and then you go and repeat your president's "all sides" crap...

    All sides are not Nazis and you said so yourself.
     
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    It's funny to me how republicans are tryna call for civility when their asshat president is the most uncivil person in the country.

    I'm not gonna parse any words or show any respect to him.

    He has disrespected the office so much so that I will not afford him any level of respect. He doesn't deserve one iota of it.
     
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    Once again you’re generalizing a whole group. I’m sure there are conservatives that believe some of those but a lot actually don’t man. That’s division right there. That’s the wrong way to look at the group.
     
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    I haven’t experienced racism but in my 27 years I have experienced the country and seen with my own eyes how much better it has gotten. All sides has nothing to do with what the president said. I don’t know why you get so emotional. I’m saying it because it’s true. Both sides are definitely responsible for division. That’s all I’m saying. You can go ahead and make it some weird competition between the two sides, the fact is none of the extremes from both sides help and honestly you’re playing a part in the division by labeling all conservatives a certain way. You can’t look at it like that.
     
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    To be fair, he's not labeling all conservatives a certain way. It's more like the "not all conservatives are racist, but all the racists are conservatives" mindset. I don't agree with that either (nor do I agree with much of the content of this discussion), but I think it's important to properly categorize a person's statements.
     
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    Aren't you generalizing when you claim both sides are equal to blame? Sitting on that fence can be difficult to sustain.
     
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    It doesn't have to be Nazi Germany, but that was the posters choice, It doesn't make it any less valid.
     
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    Not really. I’m saying there are certain characteristics and groups on each side you can blame for division. Prove me wrong. It’s not hard to understand
     
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    At the end of the season all NBA teams are 41-41, because there are good and bad players on every team. It's simply wrong to say one team is worse than another.

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    It doesn't matter what woman you marry, they are all equivalent.

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    Every state and every country is exactly the same as every other one.

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    Being alive is the same thing as being dead.

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    Not what I’m saying but I understand a narrative needs to be spun here due to tribal thinking. Look, it’s fine if you think conservatives do more harm then democrats, I don’t care. That’s your opinion. You still can’t ignore the democrats side. I’m saying the are both responsible for bullshit and division. It’s not some competition to me probably because I don’t care for either party. I’m just saying, both are responsible for nonsense
     
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    Yes, you are making a 'both sides' argument. It's not convincing, because you are unwilling to admit that it isn't binary. Being corrupt/divisive/evil/etc. isn't like being pregnant. You can be a little bit corrupt, or a lot corrupt, or somewhere in the middle.

    Neither party is purely good or purely evil, but that doesn't mean they are equally good/evil.

    Murderers aren't forgiven if they point out that other people jaywalk, even though both sides have committed crimes.

    barfo
     
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    Both sides are corrupt, are they not?
     
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    Sure, if you include all the people on both sides. Are they the same amount of corrupt?

    Does the amount of corruption matter to you at all, or is it just an on/off switch?

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    So you just glossed over this huh..

    "Look platy, I know it's not you or all conservatives. You don't exemplify the current conservative movement."
     
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    I think this is your problem. All democrats aren't liberal.

    I'm talking about the difference between liberals and conservatives.

    There are some democrats that probably are racist.

    They're not liberal.

    Ever heard of the Dixiecrats?

    They were racist conservative DEMOCRATS, who became republicans after civil rights passed.

    So, I'm speaking about the difference between liberals and conservatives, not Democrats and Republicans.
     

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