Collins is getting minutes. But sure lets see the second unit really be bad. That would get the fan base excited. I guess they would try hard.
Look i cannot debate the way the fan base feels. I also don't disagree with your premise at all. Play em. But there is another point to be made. First off if you were at games you might be shocked at the size of Meyers Leonard's following at this point. Also like him or not when Evan Turner plays well he gives the Blazers the best chance to win over the likes of Baldwin and Trent or Simmons. What do you really want here? Do you want this team to tank or what? You can assume if they quit playing the best most experienced players they have essentially given up and don't want to stay in the mix for the playoffs. It's even you saying the most that Tanking at this point is "Pointless". The Team wants to sell tickets and the fans want the best players to play. That is fact. They win the most games playing the best players. The Team sells more tickets when the team wins. There is no Laughing your Ass Off about that. Those are simple truths that any sports entertainment industry must adhere to.
Turner does NOT give the Blazers the best chance to play well as long as Stotts is the coach and Dame is on the roster. When he plays with the starters he mostly just stands on the 3 point line which is the worst spot for him. At most in his current role he should be playing 12 minutes a game when Dame is off the court. Instead he's almost always the first on off the bench and almost always in the game during crunch time. Is it a coincidence that we've gotten off the a good start only to see substitutions kill our lead? Or is it a coincidence that by far the 2nd quarter is our worst quarter? Or that we've barely hung on to win games that should've been out away sooner? As far as the tanking thing, I am very much against when people say "We should tank for Zion" and crap like that when we are too good to be that bad. It's like people think a team can just decide to tank and that's all you have to do. They have no plan on how to convince Dame to go along with it or anything like that. I'm not against tanking necessarily. In fact this year when Jimmy G got hurt for the 49ers I wanted them to lose every game. They won 5 straight games to end the year last year so instead of getting the 2nd pick they went to 9th and had to pay Jimmy G a ton of money for a few meaningless victories. I don't think you are giving fans enough credit to be able to determine that Turner is not part of the future and to see that playing Baldwin and Layman might be better long term. Also, I'd guess most fans would want to see the rookies get some run.
Well you can try playing Simmons or Baldwin or even Trent but I doubt you are gonna get much success. Not the Turnover is great but he has good games. Seems to me like tanking ain’t gonna happen so that seems like a mute point.
I think Chauncey has built a lot of connections that'd help him, and I think he'd be a good GM just by listening to him talk about what he'd value in terms of building and running a team.
Because you are talking about playing dudes that might not even be on a roster of some teams let alone playing major minutes. That would be considered "Tanking" by most.
I'd say the offense was coming along okay. My only complaint is the Defense. Every time the opposition gets the ball I keep yelling at the TV "Okay, now we need a stop." and I'm frustrated with the result.
What? You are completely off here. Playing the rookies wouldn't be giving minutes to players that might not be on a roster. It's called development. Last year should they have played Leonard instead of Collins down the stretch? Heck no, Collins being inserted into the lineup even though he might not have been ready is when the team started taking off. Simons might not be ready either. He probably isn't but Trent was supposed to have an NBA ready body and skill set. I don't think it's tanking to give him some minutes. Baldwin can do everything Turner can do and showed he is at least capable of running a team in summer league. Layman has shown to be very active in limited minutes and I think at the very least he deserves more consistent minutes to see what he can do. He fits in well with the starters because he actually moves off the ball and he also fits with the 2nd unit because he can get hot.
It's in the thread but the basic premise was to quit playing Leonard, Turner, Stauskas. Curry and start playing Trent, Simmons and Baldwin so they can develop players. I don't think the fan base would go for that and would consider that tanking at this point.
I'm not off here at all. You are explaining the exact same thing we just talked about. I already said "Play Em" But the fan base ain't gonna like it when the losses start piling up and management aint gonna like losing either when ticket sales go down. This whole conversation is about business and entertainment. That is what the NBA is. You either play your best players to win or you don't.
Those two teams he coached prior were horrible before he got there and horrible after he left so it's hard to pin that on Stotts. I have always said, with very few exceptions that coaches are hired to be fired and maybe this off season the team will make a change, but replacing him now would be a big mistake in my opinion as seldom does that ever work for the positive.
I agree mostly except about Baldwin and ET. I dont like ET at all, but Im not sure he can do what ET does. For all his faults and there are many, ET is a good ball handler that can manuever in the paint and midrange and he is ok at find the right guy in tight spaces. Im not sure Baldwin can do any of that. I would love to see more of Baldwin in place of ET to see what he has but Im not sure he can do the same or better at this point.
Then I said this- Like i said. You will get no argument from me. But from a business point of view it's gonna cost. Team management and the NBA in general would not like to see that.
Whoooooooosh! Over your head again. I'm saying playing those guys DOES give us just as good of a chance to win, so we would be playing our best players.
You are so far off topic there is no way anyone could possibly keep up. Go back and read the thread. It's like you have too many conversation going.
I assume you have read now. Exactly who's head is this over? You are talking about players capabilities when the original topic is about the business end and marketing.
