Trade Ideas Thread

Harrell is very very good as a bench big, very good. And Harris I dare say is better than CJ. SweetLou is very good as well. This trade is too good to be true and I don't think just a 1st would the trick. They don't really have a reason to do this as they have the cap space to sign a max FA anyway so they want their team to keep the good pieces. And Harrell,SweetLou have extremely valuable contracts for what they are.

The more I think about it the less sense it makes, they won't give up FA just for CJ. Harris can be maxed after they sign their FAs, CJ eats a lot of cap.

 

The Clips love Harris and Harrell too. I can' see them going anywhere.

 

I see what you did there.

 

I'm a Blazers fan so I think about mediocre players quite often.

 

Ouch.

Yeah, point taken.

 

Portland Out: Harkless, Leonard
Portland In: Gallinari, Skal Labisserie

Sacramento Out: Skal
Sacramento In: Harkless

Clippers Out: Gallinari
Clippers In: Leonard


This only works, obviously, if the Clippers are interested in creating as much space as possible for next season, they shed an additional 11 million off of their cap, giving them a little over 60 million in space next offseason.

 

Not bad!

At that point though I wonder if Sacremento would just offer Randolph for Gallinari.

 

I think the ship might have sailed on Harkless to Sacramento without a pick attached. If you were Sacramento and were the only team with cap space to take on a bad contract would you use it on Harkless with nothing else coming in?

 

Very true. Though, would they want to commit that much money to him next season? The difference for us and them is, Randolph is an expiring, so they're taking on his full salary for next year, for us, we're basically replacing 2 smaller salaries with his larger one.

 

If theyd be willing to commit $11M to Harkless I think theyd be willing to commit $22M to Gallo.

 

look at PHX. Something has to give. They have Warren/Bridges/Oubre/Jackson all at SF, and no real PGs.

 

setting contracts aside for a moment:

PER:

Montrezl Harrell 24.6
Tobias Harris 19.0
CJ McCollum 17.5

TS%:

Montrezl Harrell .644
Tobias Harris .610
CJ McCollum .559

FT Rate:

Montrezl Harrell .650
Tobias Harris .229
CJ McCollum .166

winshare/48:

Montrezl Harrell .215
Tobias Harris .129
CJ McCollum .106

Box plus/minus:

Montrezl Harrell 5.1
Tobias Harris 1.0
CJ McCollum -0.1

value over replacement:

Montrezl Harrell 1.3
Tobias Harris 0.8
CJ McCollum 0.5

Real plus/minus:

Tobias Harris 1.28
Montrezl Harrell 1.14
CJ McCollum 0.03

it would be nice if CJ didn't finish last in all those categories. But after watching those players, last night and before, that all matches the eyeball test. I think Harris is better than CJ, and Harrel may be better, or at least offers more upside...he certainly hustles more

then you have Meyers and Portland's 1st. Meyers has negative value which goes to degrade the value of the pick. At best, that combo might have neutral value

that trade is just too lop-sided in value advantage to Portland, even with the 'uncertainty' of the Clipper contracts

 

Take a flier on Josh Jackson. There's still talent there, just have to help it/wait for it to click.

 

The depressing reality is Golden State is still awesome. Anthony Davis will find his way to the Lakers, being with Lebron and same agent blah blah. It’s all being orchestrated already. Lebron said he’s willing to suck for a year and then add AD or Kawhi. Portland not only has a team than can’t compete with either of them, but has minimal assets to deal. They won’t blow it up - give up on this window because they have no chance of passing by GS or LA - but they probably should. Load up on young dudes - 21, 22 year olds and picks. Won’t happen.

 

He’s the type of player we should be looking at considering the “assets” we have to offer. He’s not the new front offices guy anyway, I’m sure they’d like to dump his contract.

 

We'd have to trade Collins or C.J. to get him. Maybe two future 1sts would work but then we wouldnt be able to attach those to Collins or C.J. in the future if a good opportunity arises.

 

If New Orleans was smart theyd offer him for Simmons or to Boston for pieces. Trade him to an Eastern Conference team who could pay him the supermax. It'd be hard to say no to a great situation and the supermax.

 

No team outside of New Orleans could offer him the supermax. A player has to be traded on their rookie contract to be eligible.

 

Wait, who are you talking about? Surely not Josh Jackson, because Josh Jackson is on his way to being a free agent after next season.

 

On top of that, he can't legally be traded to Boston, because of the Rose Rule, and the rule about no team trading for two of the same exception guys on their roster. And Kyrie already is. So they'd have to wait until the offseason to trade for him.