Defense would be weaken by the trade but they do need a third scorer moreso and SF seems to be the spot. They keep Battier for defensive purposes but where do they get their third scorer and who of value lands that scorer?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok just imagine for a second you get Rashard. What will you do if you play the Lakers(Kobe will score all over you) or the Spurs(Ginobli will score all over you) or the suns(Marion and Diaw)or the nuggets(Melo) Point is the Rockets are already a soft team, if you get rid of Battier you will lose your only good versatile defender and only weaken yourselves further. It's apparrent you need another scoring option but defense wins series and more importantly championships.</div>As far as I know <span style="color:#4B0082">Phoenix</span>, and<span style="color:#00FFFF"> Nuggets</span> sucks at defense yet there still one of the best teams. If you was to put Battier with Denver that doesn't mean there going to be a better defensive team. Its up to the coaches whether they want to be a defensive team or not. Rick Adelman is a kind of an up tempo coach not a defensive one. Adding Rashard Lewis would make more sense to the <span style="color:#FF0000">Rockets</span> at this point :winkglasses: :dribble: .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 26 2007, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm with Rok, where does Jeff Green come in? Also, Jeff Green did not remove his name from the draft, he's staying in. Roy Hibbert is the one who withdrew.</div>Fricken BCB pmed me saying Green removed his name. Bastard.Green comes in because in many mock drafts, he goes to Charlotte, including mine. they don't need Rashard Lewis with Jeff Green in town.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as I know <span style="color:#4B0082">Phoenix</span>, and<span style="color:#00FFFF"> Nuggets</span> sucks at defense yet there still one of the best teams. If you was to put Battier with Denver that doesn't mean there going to be a better defensive team. Its up to the coaches whether they want to be a defensive team or not. Rick Adelman is a kind of an up tempo coach not a defensive one. Adding Rashard Lewis would make more sense to the <span style="color:#FF0000">Rockets</span> at this point :winkglasses: :dribble: .</div> Rick Adelman is not a bad defensive coach, he used his players that he had in Sacramento to his advantage. He knew they didn't have defensive players in Mike Bibby, Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic and he was stuck with those guys long term so he made what he could out of them. And for the 2nd time, the Rockets can not afford Rashard Lewis, why can't you seem to understand that. There's no way the Rockets could fit Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Rashard Lewis' contracts on that team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as I know <span style="color:#4B0082">Phoenix</span>, and<span style="color:#00FFFF"> Nuggets</span> sucks at defense yet there still one of the best teams. If you was to put Battier with Denver that doesn't mean there going to be a better defensive team. Its up to the coaches whether they want to be a defensive team or not. Rick Adelman is a kind of an up tempo coach not a defensive one. Adding Rashard Lewis would make more sense to the <span style="color:#FF0000">Rockets</span> at this point :winkglasses: :dribble: .</div>Phoenix and the Nuggets both have great defensive players though(Marion and Camby) They arent completely inept on defense. and yes if you put Battier on Denver they might be able to get out of the first round also.PG-Allen IversonSG-Shane BatterSF-MeloPF-NeneC-Cambyespically if they get some chemistry next year, id say that team could even play with the Spurs.Soft teams can be exploited, as seen by the Mavericks-Warriors series this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 31 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rick Adelman is not a bad defensive coach, he used his players that he had in Sacramento to his advantage. He knew they didn't have defensive players in Mike Bibby, Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic and he was stuck with those guys long term so he made what he could out of them. And for the 2nd time, the Rockets can not afford Rashard Lewis, why can't you seem to understand that. There's no way the Rockets could fit Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Rashard Lewis' contracts on that team.</div>And what part of there going to do a trade-n-sign don't you understand. I know there not going to sign him, but that doesn't mean they still cannot get him. You need to learn more about the <span style="color:#008000">money</span> negotiation part, your really clueless on that. :no3:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Phoenix and the Nuggets both have great defensive players though(Marion and Camby) They arent completely inept on defense. and yes if you put Battier on Denver they might be able to get out of the first round also.PG-Allen IversonSG-Shane BatterSF-MeloPF-NeneC-Cambyespically if they get some chemistry next year, id say that team could even play with the Spurs.Soft teams can be exploited, as seen by the Mavericks-Warriors series this year.</div>I'm glad you mentioned <span style="color:#00FFFF">Camby</span>. He's the defensive player of the year. So he's considered better than <span style="color:#FF0000">Battier</span>, yet somehow teams still managed to score more than 100 points per game on the Nuggets. If <span style="color:#00FFFF">Camby</span> is the best defensively why did Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker crushed them offensively in their playoff series?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm glad you mentioned <span style="color:#00FFFF">Camby</span>. He's the defensive player of the year. So he's considered better than <span style="color:#FF0000">Battier</span>, yet somehow teams still managed to score more than 100 points per game on the Nuggets. If <span style="color:#00FFFF">Camby</span> is the best defensively why did Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker crushed them offensively in their playoff series? </div>Camby held his own in the post against the spurs but mostly the reason the Nuggets lost was that no one scored besides Melo and AI. They are in desperate need of another scoring option(as a matter of fact I think rashard would fit better in denver then houston)While one player isnt a defense, one player can anchor a defense(especially SF's) as Sfs are the usually the most versatile defenders on the floor. Look at Artest with his first year with Sacremento he anchored them from a terrible defensive team to a solid one. Even Michael Cooper cant make a sh*tty defense become a great defense but a great sf can help a lot.By the way, your post is completely irrelevant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Camby held his own in the post against the spurs but mostly the reason the Nuggets lost was that no one scored besides Melo and AI. They are in desperate need of another scoring option(as a matter of fact I think rashard would fit better in denver then houston)While one player isnt a defense, one player can anchor a defense(especially SF's) as Sfs are the usually the most versatile defenders on the floor. Look at Artest with his first year with Sacremento he anchored them from a terrible defensive team to a solid one. Even Michael Cooper cant make a sh*tty defense become a great defense but a great sf can help a lot.By the way, your post is completely irrelevant.</div>hhmm... SF you say ? Excuse me for not mentioning a small foward . Here's one Shawn Marion, a small foward who many times over is considered the best versatile player in the NBA defensively that is. Same thing happen with him Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker still scored on him and his team in there playoff series. Your not getting it thru your head that one defensively player cannot stop a offensive team by himself. Yes I know what Battier did for the Rockets this season, Ive watch every game they had. He was a big reason we were tough defensively. BUT, he was still not able to do everything by himself on the defensive side against the Jazz in the playoffs. Im not saying he's the reason we lost, but he's also not the reason we won. Your talking to a Rockets Fanatic come on now!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hhmm... SF you say ? Excuse me for not mentioning a small foward . Here's one Shawn Marion, a small foward who many times over is considered the best versatile player in the NBA defensively that is. Same thing happen with him Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker still scored on him and his team in there playoff series. Your not getting it thru your head that one defensively player cannot stop a offensive team by himself. Yes I know what Battier did for the Rockets this season, Ive watch every game they had. He was a big reason we were tough defensively. BUT, he was still not able to do everything by himself on the defensive side against the Jazz in the playoffs. Im not saying he's the reason we lost, but he's also not the reason we won. Your talking to a Rockets Fanatic come on now! </div>''While one player isnt a defense, one player can anchor a defense(especially SF's) as Sfs are the usually the most versatile defenders on the floor. Look at Artest with his first year with Sacremento he anchored them from a terrible defensive team to a solid one. Even Michael Cooper cant make a sh*tty defense become a great defense but a great sf can help a lot.By the way, your post is completely irrelevant.''- By MyselfI never said one player can do everything for a team but considering your proposing trading one of the leagues top 5 defensive sfs for one of the leagues top 5 worst defensive sfs it would be a major downgrade at the defensive end considering Houston is already weak defensively. If you actually read my post I even said one player cant do it all but he can help a lot so good work trying to flip my words at me.I gurantee you if you put Rashard on a great SF like Lebron,Melo,Pierce,etc. Your team will always lose that matchup. There's a reason the Sonics got the second pick(Every team lit them up every night)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>''While one player isnt a defense, one player can anchor a defense(especially SF's) as Sfs are the usually the most versatile defenders on the floor. Look at Artest with his first year with Sacremento he anchored them from a terrible defensive team to a solid one. Even Michael Cooper cant make a sh*tty defense become a great defense but a great sf can help a lot.By the way, your post is completely irrelevant.''- By MyselfI never said one player can do everything for a team but considering your proposing trading one of the leagues top 5 defensive sfs for one of the leagues top 5 worst defensive sfs it would be a major downgrade at the defensive end considering Houston is already weak defensively. If you actually read my post I even said one player cant do it all but he can help a lot so good work trying to flip my words at me.</div>Yeah that one kind of sliped thru me. Anyways I did noticed you said we already a weak defensive team not true, if anything we were one of the better defensive team. We proved that in the series vs. Utah when they only averaged about 77 points per game. I know for a fact trading Shane Battier and other players for Rashard Lewis won't be a downgrade. The only reason we lost in the series with Utah is because most of our points came from only two players. Take the coach we have now, and his style of play. Rashard Lewis will be an upgrade to the Rockets organization.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah that one kind of sliped thru me. Anyways I did noticed you said we already a weak defensive team not true, if anything we were one of the better defensive team. We proved that in the series vs. Utah when they only averaged about 77 points per game. I know for a fact trading Shane Battier and other players for Rashard Lewis won't be a downgrade. The only reason we lost in the series with Utah is because most of our points came from only two players. Take the coach we have now, and his style of play. Rashard Lewis will be an upgrade to the Rockets organization.</div>And why was that ppg so low? Because Battier shut out AK47(if not itd probably been around 90 ppg at least). You further prove my post. You think with Rashard they are going to hold any team to 77 points ever?You might score more points in next seasons playoffs with Lewis but you will have another first round exit. I'm not denying the Rockets need to add some players but Lewis is not someone they need.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And why was that ppg so low? Because Battier shut out AK47(if not itd probably been around 90 ppg at least). You further prove my post. You think with Rashard they are going to hold any team to 77 points ever?</div>AK47 is not even much a scoring threat with or without a great defensive holding him. By the way Rashard Lewis is not a horrible defender, he will do his part in the defense. But when he's on offense I'll take Rashard, Tracy, and Yao anyday. :worthy:
Then again that is my opinion, but you'll remember me when Rockets are Western Conference champions next year with these players in the starting five, and Rick Adelman as head coach. Rafer Alston Tracy McGrady Rashard Lewis Chuck Hayes or Steve Novak Yao Ming
sign and trade w/ portland for zach randolphthe only way this wouldnt happen would be because they play eachother too much and would compete w/ eachother too much
I know that he will not be back with the Sonics next year (most likely). Though I'm not sure what team he would most likely go to. I would like to see him go to the Warriors but we don't have that money to pay him what he wants or what he deserves. That Rashard Lewis would exercise his right to opt out of the remaining two seasons on his contract with the Seattle SuperSonics and test the NBA market as a free agent was expected, understandable and logical. The question at hand, now, is what should the Sonics do about it?I?m not the Sonics? general manager. But nobody else is, either. So I say they should exert the maximum effort to lure him back.At 27, coming off a season with averages of 22.4 points and 6.6 rebounds, Lewis will be among the most coveted free agents when the market for them opens July 1. But the NBA system allows the Sonics to throw truly obscene money at him, while other teams can ply him with only moderately obscene figures. Team president Lenny Wilkens listed the re-signing of Lewis as a priority. Good. But who?s to say that means anything when the new owners put together a new front office, hire a new coach ? and then possibly move to a new town?Is Lewis worth the big-money, long-term contract? His game is not above critical analysis.He can play huge or go invisible. He?s not the best at creating his own shot or handling the ball (although I?d say he?s improved in both areas). He gets banged up and missed 22 games last season.But his scoring average has been in the 20s for three seasons entering what should be his prime. He willingly works on his shortcomings, appears to be a good teammate and contributes to the community. Alongside guard Ray Allen, Lewis has given the Sonics a strong second option on offense. The problems with the Sonics in recent seasons are not the fault of Rashard Lewis.An additional variable to the discussion arose last week when the Sonics got lucky and landed the No. 2 pick in the NBA draft lottery. Opinions hold that they?ll end up selecting Texas forward Kevin Durant. Maybe that makes Lewis expendable. They have similar games, although Durant is projected as a more versatile talent. Could the two play together, or is that a waste of money to pay for overlapping talents?Of course they could play together. Having too much talent on the floor is not an issue for this team.With Durant joining Lewis as a swing guy on the wing, with Allen at shooting guard, the Sonics would have untold scoring options ? if they can find a point guard adept at distributing and a post man willing to do the dirty work under the basket.You will ask: Who would play defense?I would ask in response: Does anybody play it now?At least they?d have a better chance of outscoring opponents.Of course, they?d have to hire a coach who runs a perimeter and transition offense. But one more talented and versatile player would only make Lewis more effective.There?s a lot of ways this could go. If Rashard simply wants the most money and the Sonics have the sense to offer it, he?ll come back to Seattle.If the Sonics could work out a sign-and-trade deal with a team that needs Lewis, in return for the true frontcourt player they still need, maybe everybody comes out ahead.For his part, Lewis has been very admirable in recalling those painful hours he spent getting passed over in the 1998 draft. As a teenager, he was projected to be a lottery pick but had to sit through 31 picks before the Sonics took him in the second round.He still appreciates the team?s belated rescue of him that day.But neither he nor the rest of us know where the Sonics will be. He can?t justify a long-term agreement with the Sonics based on his love of Seattle. Where will that leave him if the owners take the team to Oklahoma City or Kansas City or elsewhere?Surely, he has to be wondering if it would be worth taking less money with another team in exchange for getting into a more stable situation.Of the distasteful tangents to the Sonics? threat to move, add this one to the list.No question, Rashard Lewis will make big money either way, stay or go.Still, it?s unfair for a player to have to make a career-altering decision in such an atmosphere of uncertainty. http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/sonics/story/73389.html
I'd love him on the Rockets. It's hometown and even hes said he'd like to play here. But financially, its nearly impossibly for something to happen unless he'd sign for a MLE
I haven't read the thread or anything but I think this deal would work out for both teams. A sign and trade Prince for Lewis. Detroit gets more of an consistent offensive player and he isn't bad on defense either, I think Lewis would fit right in here. And then Seattle would at least get something back in return for Lewis instead of letting him walk for nothing. And then go small like every other western conference team have pretty much done and start Ridnour Allen Prince Durant Wilcox. I know, I know, I'm brilliant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (([HoUsToN]) @ May 31 2007, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then again that is my opinion, but you'll remember me when Rockets are Western Conference champions next year with these players in the starting five, and Rick Adelman as head coach. Rafer Alston Tracy McGrady Rashard Lewis Chuck Hayes or Steve Novak Yao Ming </div>You're gonna need someone besides Hayes or Novak to make that a WCF team.
