OT Portland hotel calls cops on black guest in lobby

Well actually I think it started with Mohammad. But Let us say you are correct.

The republican Congress of the day exacerbated the situation by continuous interference with the President and his ability to do his job. Taking up his time and energy with impeachment left him little to give to Bin Laden and al-Qaeda and the stunts they pulled.

 

I spent the day in San Francisco with my family and spent the drive home talking about how nice it will be in the future to move into the country. There are some amazing parts of city-living and especially when young it's full of life and creativity everywhere, but I'm getting tired of all the hustle and bustle. Slowly planning for a future phase of our lives on a small farm with grapes (wine), animals, veggies, bees and all sorts of of other projects seems like a ton of work but the type of work that's worthwhile and creates a peaceful, happy life. For several work and school reasons I can't do the county living yet, but I'm finally starting to plan towards that end.

 

You contradict yourself and show a lack of knowledge as to who started what.

It (slavery in America) started in Africa thousands of years ago, with Africans enslaving other Africans, then much later Africans selling Africans to Dutch and British buyers who resold them to the Americas more than a hundred years before the US existed.

 

You have given off that vibe before. One can always check in with the City for a little hustle bustle.

You can pop over to Davis, pick up their text book on crop propitiation and your on your way. Heck, it is only one text book. I did that when I went farming. Then I decided to fill in my Naval Architecture skills. Geez that took 10 years, but I did it out in the woods, with materials to experiment with. Nice and easy.

 

I think it does matter if someone is going to claim that the white guys who purchased the slaves are morally corrupt, but the black guys who sold the slaves are not.

 

I do not think this is correct Sly. "We" did not do theses things. The institution was not created here, it migrated here with people that had learned to deal with slaves. A very small percentage of Americans even had an ancestor that owned a slave, as there were only about 11 thousand slave owners on this continent when slavery was abolished.
The other 31 million people were not slave owners, nor were the more than 100 million immigrates that came here since.

The founders of this Nation did not create the institution of slavery. Several of them did try mightily to end it
without success, so they had to deal with it.

I can not find fault in their attempts to deal with what was, notably Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. But they were not the first to fail to end slavery. Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed before them, did no better.

 

God dammit, I edited that out because I realized I didn't write it clearly. Could you not be on the forum 24/7?

It was meant that somehow they were morally corrupt, but the black guys were not. It just wasn't written very well. Not that buying slaves isn't morally corrupt.

Also, who is claiming that the sins of one washes away the sins of the other? Are you even following the argument that dviss is trying to play?

 

Rather a harsh label to hang on a guy for doing what was entirely legal. No moral authority had come out against it either.

It is stupid through from and economic point of view. Much better pay minimum wage and let the bugger feed himself and pay for his shoes.

 

And there are vile racists that have long found a comfortable and supportive home among the so-called liberals in the Democrat party.

Arguing against bigotry and hatred by spewing bigotry and hatred is never going to change things for the better.

 

Sounds like a job I'd want to avoid.
Kind of reminds me of when my wife wanted to buy a tavern to run. All I could think of were the deadly fights and robberies. No, thanks.
I once worked with an engineer in St. Louis who told me about an alteration he had with a customer in a bar where he was working. The fight devolved into an incident were the perp got his hands round this guy's throat and started to choke the life out of him. He grabbed an object nearby and hit the perp over the head thereby saving his life.
No thanks, I don't want any part of running a tavern, a convenience store or a hotel desk unless it's a very secure hotel. I'll stick to engineering where all we have to worry about is accidentally touching 20,000 volts.

 

What the fuck?

 

This is the issue many of us have.

White people didn't start slavery. Olive skinned people did... per history and the bible anyhow.

This is what I keep getting hung up on with your narrative. Slavery wasn't invented here so why does the discussion have to be limited to recent racism in America only?

If we want to get to the root of the evil, then we must backtrack to the source and educate from there, no?

 

I didn't say you did. Again, you jumped into the conversation And I am saying it SEEMS like that is your stance based on your posts.

Secondly, I never brought up the holocaust, but since you did, I will go on record as saying both slavery and the holocaust are disgustingly evil acts that humans should be incredibly embarrassed about. With that said, I too believe the holocaust is worse, if there is such a worse. Eliminating a race verse slave labor and letting them live.
Pretty clear to me which is worse.

I mean, reverse the roles. If Jews were enslaved for a period of time, but Blacks and Africans were sought to be eliminated from the planet, wouldn't you think the elimination would be worse?

I mean, one is still letting one live and the other isn't. Isn't death the end all?

 

Okay?

So what am I supposed to do?

I mean, I don't associate, congregate or even know any republicans that are racist. I know they exist, but short of separating myself vocally from that stance and speaking up against racism when you see it, is about all one can do.

Am I supposed to go searching for racist republicans and condemn them?

This is a touchy subject. We have learned through history you cant force someone to believe a certain way, that includes love and hate.

All we can do is educate and separate. Short of that how much louder do you want me to yell at my republican friends who aren't racist? because I don't have any that are. If I did, I would condemn their stance and separate myself from them.


Sounds like I need to go shooting wildly into the air as loud as I can and hope I nail a racist republican to the wall.

Come on...

 

There is not full footage of the entire incident. Judgments are foolish in this case, as well as many others where there is not full disclosure of all sequences that transpired in the event caught on video.